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  •  Say to say but (3+ / 0-)

    Bachmann's challenger, Jim Graves, has come out in favor of chained CPI.

    Implement chained CPI by linking benefit increases not to changes in the consumer price index, but to what’s called the “chained CPI,’’ which takes into account product substitutions by consumers as prices fluctuate, i.e., purchasing chicken or pork in lieu of beef when beef prices spike.
    http://www.startribune.com/...

    I knew it was trouble when he hooked up with the DCCC.

    Some people have short memories

    by lenzy1000 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 11:28:22 AM PDT

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    •  That should be "Sad to say" (1+ / 0-)
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      n/t

      Some people have short memories

      by lenzy1000 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 11:29:23 AM PDT

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    •  um, (7+ / 0-)

      how in the world are you going to win the most conservative district in Minnesota without a conservative candidate?

      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

      by James Allen on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 11:47:12 AM PDT

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      •  Cutting SS sure will help. Not!! (5+ / 0-)

        Plato's " The Cave" taught me to question reality.

        by CTDemoFarmer on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 11:58:22 AM PDT

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        •  I don't get it (6+ / 0-)

          How they think that is a winning strategy is beyond me. That wins you nothing on either side.

          Some people have short memories

          by lenzy1000 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 12:02:54 PM PDT

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          •  really (6+ / 0-)

            this district (more or less, given redistricting) keeps re-electing Michele fucking Bachmann, knowing all the shit she has said and done over the years, and you think you know better than Graves, who almost beat her last year, about how to win there?

            ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

            by James Allen on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 12:24:07 PM PDT

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            •  I live in that district (4+ / 0-)

              and I have yet to hear any one person calling out for chained CPI. Not one.

              Some people have short memories

              by lenzy1000 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 12:50:03 PM PDT

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              •  Many folks won't vote unless they have a (2+ / 0-)
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                reason to, and this is especially the case with Democrats or lean-Democrats.  If both candidates want to cut Social Security, where's the effect of your vote?  Most folks don't know or think about other issues, only the one or few things that matter to them.  Low information voters just see that both candidates sound about the same, so why bother to vote if your vote will make no difference?  Sure, we know better, but we're political junkies, not normal people.  Republicans gained majorities because they made their differences crystal clear and made their supporters believe that every single vote mattered because the Democrats want to tax, enslave and kill all the unborn.  Bachman wins because she's great at persuading people their vote is vital and makes a difference.  Grave's compromise makes Democrats wonder why bother?  And he got close in 2012 because of Obama convincing people their vote mattered (after that first disastrous debate where he did not do that), not Graves.

                America needs a UNION NEWS channel. We (unions) have the money, we have the talent. Don't buy 30 second time slots on corporate media, union leaders; fund your own cable news channel and tell the real story 24/7/365

                by monkeybrainpolitics on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 04:20:45 PM PDT

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                •  Obama lost that district by a wide margin (1+ / 0-)
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                  Graves lost it by a hair.  Your argument doesn't make sense.

                  ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                  by James Allen on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 05:37:54 PM PDT

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              •  if they're voting for Michele Bachmann (0+ / 0-)

                they probably want to get rid of social security completely.

                ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                by James Allen on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 05:36:58 PM PDT

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                •  Do you really believe that? (0+ / 0-)

                  Her district now includes a county that has more moderate Republicans. Republicans that are quite happy with the new fiber optic loop made possible(in part) by the stimulus. Graves made no mention of this at all. In this part of the district they like public works projects. Bachmann did not campaign on privatizing SS.

                  Some people have short memories

                  by lenzy1000 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 06:12:01 PM PDT

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                •  Not necessarily. And why would they have to feel (1+ / 0-)
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                  that way, with all the ammunication that this Administration and some corporatist Dems give them?

                  Reference the Politico piece that I posted in a comment below--Republicans these days have an advantage with the senior vote, whether or not we like it.

                  Part of that is because of the Administrations's cuts to Medicare Advantage, that almost one quarter of seniors are enrolled in.

                  Seniors Fled Democrats In Midterms

                  By: Byron Tau
                  November 7, 2010 03:35 PM EDT

                  In an election marked by dramatic defections from the Democratic Party, older voters swung hardest, seemingly threatened by President Barack Obama’s mantra of change.

                  Voters over 65 favored Republicans last week by a 21-point margin after flirting with Democrats in the 2006 midterm elections and favoring John McCain by a relatively narrow 8-point margin in 2008.

                  Concerned by changes to Medicare and compelled by a Republican Party that promised a return to America’s glory days, seniors played a crucial — and often understated — role in races across the country. They were unswayed by ubiquitous Democratic warnings about Republican changes to Social Security. And they put a series of campaigns out of reach for Democrats.

                  Mollie

                  "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


                  hiddennplainsight

                  by musiccitymollie on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 06:42:47 PM PDT

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      •  Probably by supporting SS as is (1+ / 0-)
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        because even conservatives tend to support that.

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 04:47:20 PM PDT

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    •  Doesn't Bachmann's fate become sealed... (1+ / 0-)
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      Doesn't Bachmann's political fate become sealed
      when she wins the R nomination for US Senator from MN
      then loses to Al Franken?

      Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

      by olo on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 12:04:29 PM PDT

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    •  This is really just (1+ / 0-)
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      backing attaching the increases to a more accurate economic metric; there's nothing particularly partisan one way or the other and the effect wouldn't be substantial.

      "Once, many, many years ago I thought I was wrong. Of course it turned out I had been right all along. But I was wrong to have thought I was wrong." -John Foster Dulles. My Political Compass Score: -4.00, -3.69, Proud member of DKE

      by ArkDem14 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 12:28:39 PM PDT

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      •  you and I, ArkDem maybe the only ones that feel (0+ / 0-)

        that. Instead most people here are obsessed about "cutting" SS and loudly proclaiming so.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:45:51 AM PDT

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        •  ArkDem14 and samddobermann--Maybe you'd (0+ / 0-)

          like to follow this link, and watch a Panel Discussion [by experts] about the 'Chained CPI.'  

          It is very current--presented on March 11, 2013.

          It's actually quite an 'eye-opener,' and one of the 'stars' is the Chief Actuary (the 'neutral' participant) of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss.

          Hopefully, then, you would reconsider your stance on the Chained CPI.  And I'm not saying this to be contentious.  

          It's just that I've found that some folks who feel as you do, don't fully realize what these cuts will mean to many poor and low-income Americans.  

          Including not only our seniors, but our military veterans and our disabled. ;-)

          Cost-of-Living Adjustments and Federal Benefits [March 11, 2013]

          Mollie

          "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


          hiddennplainsight

          by musiccitymollie on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:21:39 PM PDT

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      •   ArkDem14 and samddobermann--Maybe you'd (0+ / 0-)

        like to follow this link, and watch a Panel Discussion [by experts] about the 'Chained CPI.'  

        It is very current--presented on March 11, 2013.

        It's actually quite an 'eye-opener,' and one of the 'stars' is the Chief Actuary (the 'neutral' participant) of the Social Security Administration, Stephen Goss.

        Hopefully, then, you would reconsider your stance on the Chained CPI.  And I'm not saying this to be contentious.  

        It's just that I've found that some folks who feel as you do, don't fully realize what these cuts will mean to many poor and low-income Americans.  

        Including not only our seniors, but our military veterans and our disabled. ;-)

        Cost-of-Living Adjustments and Federal Benefits [March 11, 2013]

        Mollie

        "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


        hiddennplainsight

        by musiccitymollie on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 03:24:08 PM PDT

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