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  •  Matthew vs Luke (8+ / 0-)

    They had different genealogies for Joseph. Also, Luke's sources did not seem to notice a Christmas Star. Not something likely to be omitted like the Wise Men. Inconsistencies in the Bible. Inerrancy does not hold water.

    Censorship is rogue government.

    by scott5js on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:08:17 AM PDT

    •  And if you really want... (17+ / 0-)

      ...to watch heads explode, ask them:

      "Which version of the Bible?"

      And:

      "Were you aware that the Council of Nicaea edited the Bible of their time, removing books and gospels that they did not agree with?"

      If you haven't read the Apocrypha, you haven't read ALL of the Bible...

      •  As if we even have any original documents! (5+ / 0-)

        The oldest documents we have that constitute the Bible as we know it today are copies of copies. But when one's goal is to use claims about the Bible as a cudgel of authority, it can be difficult to get one to understand that.

      •  Council of Nicaea (0+ / 0-)

        Wikipedia says it is a misconception that the First Council of Nicaea, year 325, settled the canon of the New Testament. That had already been done and it seems very unclear when and how. Certainly there are New Testament Apocrypha that did not get accepted into the New Testament.
        Of course you can ask fundies about the Gospels of Thomas and Philip. You can also raise questions about the Old Testament: Septuagint vs Masoretic Text. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls have been found Hebrew texts that are closer to the Septuagint than to the Masoretic Text.
        How was the Bible revealed? Did it materialize in the arms of a street preacher standing on Main at Walker at noontime?

        Censorship is rogue government.

        by scott5js on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 11:56:35 AM PDT

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    •  The funniest passages in the Bible, bar none, (8+ / 0-)

      are the genealogies of Jesus through Joseph.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 10:32:03 AM PDT

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    •  Inerrancy is different from literalism. (6+ / 0-)

      For what it's worth, inerrancy means that the decision on which scriptures would be bundled into the Christian church's officially recognized OT and NT was divinely inspired and correct in the sense that if one reads and assimilates the entire, un-cherrypicked OT and the entire, un-cherrypicked NT, and reflects on the whole of each, contradictions, ambiguities, hideousness, beauty, cruelty, compassion and all, what emerges from that reflection is the Christian path toward (1) understanding our relationship to God and humanity, and (2) living in that relationship -- a relationship that requires application, self-awareness, sacrifice, gratitude, and the courage to trust and grow.

      Inerrancy is manifestly NOT the same thing as the vain, bizarre attempt to force literal meaning out of a text that contains not only rules, history, and political speeches, but historical and psychological allegory, poetry, and love songs.

      "Biblical literalism" is a lie and and a prima facie impossibility precisely because of the clear contradictions and ambiguities in the texts -- contradictions and ambiguities, please note, that the curators of those texts going forward through history did nothing to conceal or resolve. Not surprising (at least not to me) that literalism, born of a lie, is the tool of authoritarians greedy to extend their own Earthly power.

      YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

      by raincrow on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 11:20:11 AM PDT

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