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  •  I disagree on the losing the state house (1+ / 0-)
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    that was a huge blow because if those <200 votes had been reversed, we would have controlled redistricting and locked in a liberal majority in both chambers and drawn Safe D seats for both Tipton and Coffman.

    We did get really lucky though in having Ritter bow out, Hickenlooper run in his stead, and McInnis implode and lose the primary to Maes. A lot of similarly light blue states elected a Republican trifecta which would have given them control of redistricting here and screwed us big time.

    •  I doubt we could have... (2+ / 0-)
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      MichaelNY, KingofSpades

      ...gotten CO-03 to safe D.  Maybe a better lean, but we would have had to make a really weird map to make CD3 anywhere near safe Dem.  CD6 could have been made a little better, but still.

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      by CO Democrat on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 12:43:12 PM PDT

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      •  No, it's actually very easy to do (4+ / 0-)

        All you have to do is utilize the Democratic southern part of Colorado Springs for the 3rd and cut out Douglas County for the 6th:
         photo CODem5-2overview.jpg

        The 3rd was 58.3% Obama '08 and slightly more Dem downballot while the 6th was over 61% Obama '08 and could obviously be made much "cleaner" while still being safe. Every single other district is rock solid as well. I don't see why Colorado Democrats wouldn't have drawn something like this if they controlled the trifecta. There aren't hordes of conservadems to placate and all three incumbents don't have their toes stepped on.

        •  Did you, by any chance (1+ / 0-)
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          Draw the Focus on the Family Headquaters into CO-3? I can't tell, but that would be frickin hilarious.

        •  I can get on board with some of this. (2+ / 0-)
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          MichaelNY, KingofSpades

          But You broke up City and County of Denver between Districts.  That is something you cannot do here.  

          If you listen to fools, the Mob Rules

          by CO Democrat on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 04:06:53 PM PDT

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          •  This is a stupid "rule" (4+ / 0-)

            That hurts Democrats and, hence, hurts the interests of Denver.

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            by wwmiv on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 04:33:08 PM PDT

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          •  That sucks (1+ / 0-)
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            just like in MN, Dems obey taboos religiously, but Republicans will go aggressive if possible.  The CO GOP even tried to mid-decade redistrict in 2003 to undo the court-drawn map, but were fortunately shut down by the CO Supreme Court.  They really should have Perlmutter's and Coffman's districts bleed into Denver (not far into the city, but small bites from the sides) if they had full control and have Degette's district take in the dark red southern suburbs and eastern reaches of Arapahoe and Adams County.

            "...and as I learned higher joys, so I learned neither to harm, nor to wish harm upon others." -Nietzche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

            by KingofSpades on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 05:49:33 PM PDT

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          •  The only part that really gets split (1+ / 0-)
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            Is the airport from the rest of the county. Very few people live in that tail.

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            by HoosierD42 on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 06:21:33 PM PDT

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          •  why have such a dumb rule? (2+ / 0-)
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            wwmiv, MichaelNY

            Is Denver objectively more important than other cities and counties in the state?  Is there some reason that its political boundaries are more sacrosanct?  The only material thing it accomplishes is packing Democrats.  What a dumb rule.

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            by James Allen on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:52:49 AM PDT

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        •  Also.... (0+ / 0-)

          ...I don't know where that line between CD7 and 2 is in Jeffco, but I wonder if you effectively drew Perlmutter out of his own district.  

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          by CO Democrat on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 04:08:54 PM PDT

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          •  No, Golden is still in the 7th (1+ / 0-)
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            and I don't buy for a minute that Democrats wouldn't split just the tiny proportion of Denver that I did if they had full control. The only reason Denver is never split is because either Republicans controlled the process or a court did. There would be too much pressure on them to split off small portions of it (at least 80-85% of the city is in the 1st here) and DeGette wouldn't be opposed. Regardless though, you can still pretty easily get the 6th and 7th to be Likely D in an open seat situation without splitting the city if you really wanted to, but I just don't think it's realistic to assume that Dems wouldn't split off small yet heavily Democratic chunks of the city to shore them up. But that obviously doesn't matter much in terms of drawing a safe 5-2 map since the 3rd comes nowhere close to Denver and Coffman would have lost any iteration of the 6th last year that didn't have parts of Douglas County.

            When was the last time Democrats controlled the redistricting process in Colorado if ever? Wikipedia has the state House being Republican controlled in redistricting cycles going back to 1974, before which there's no data. Dems controlled the governor's office during the 1950 and 1960 round of redistricting, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't control both houses of the legislature. Regardless though, we basically don't know what the Democrats would have drawn since the map they proposed to the court that was eventually adopted for 2012 was implicitly done only so that it had a chance at court adoption.

            •  The Republicans.... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...had near continuous control over the legislature with the occasional Dem majority that lasted 2 years in the 60s and 70s.  The Dems had the Governor's office though from 1975 to 1999.  In 2000, the Dems got a majority in the State Senate giving them a seat at the table that redistricting cycle.  They lost the Senate in 2002 and retook it (along with taking the house) in 2004.  So, Republicans hadn't had total control during redistricting for a long time either.

              If you listen to fools, the Mob Rules

              by CO Democrat on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 10:20:50 PM PDT

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        •  Ok. (0+ / 0-)

          Is Steamboat Springs in CO-3 or CO-4 on your map?

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          by CO Democrat on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 10:22:07 AM PDT

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          •  It's in the 3rd (0+ / 0-)

            I did draw the 4th though so that Tipton would have a strong incentive to run there. He and Cory Gardner both represent the same amount of it and a majority is new to both while it's Safe R. He still lives in the 3rd, but it's unwinnable. The same goes for the 6th where Coffman has no shot and a huge chunk of his district goes to the 5th, though Lamborn has a pretty decisive edge in territory retained. Still, Coffman would have a shot in the primary if he could out crazy Lamborn, and this being a hypothetical 2012 map he would never have had to deal with moderating himself for an Obama district.

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