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  •  Clearly Kos is should be in charge (none)
    All our problems with the democratic party and with democracy itself will be solved if KOS runs every campaign from now on.

    God knows he can diagnose every problem perfectly after the fact.

    Imagine if the democrats put his amazing powers of hindsight to good use.

    •  Not to (none)
      take awway too much from your indignation (hey indignation is fun and you probably have a great point).

      But a whoooole lot of us warned about Kerry. We got told to shut up, stop supporting that screamin madman/that nobody general/that cantwin, suck it up and get on board the Kerry train. We snorted, rolled our eyes and jumped on board.

      The ensuing trainwreck really didnt suprise us nearly as much as you'd think.

      The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

      by cdreid on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 11:20:53 AM PDT

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      •  ok - here it is (none)
        here's the big difference -- in the clearest terms -- between the people who spent all their time warning us about john kerry and the people who supported john kerry.

        if john kerry wasn't nominated, and we still lost, john kerry supporters would not be wasting all of our time saying "i told you so."

        •  Hehehehe (none)
          Oh yes you would.

          Thats ok though.. we'd have deserved it. Thing is.. we wouldnt have lost  

          The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

          by cdreid on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 11:51:22 AM PDT

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          •  ha! (none)
            whoever you're referring to by "we" couldn't even win the nomination.

            there's no crying in politics.  there's no crying in baseball.  if you couldn't win the league championship you weren't gonna win the world series.

            •  We would have won (none)
              but the media flat out made shit up. Remember the Dean Scream?

              The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

              by cdreid on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 10:33:39 PM PDT

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              •  yep. i remember that (none)
                there was a perfectly logical explanation behind the dean scream, the sound feed to the video filtered out all the crowd noise.

                there was also a perfectly logical explanation behind "i voted before it before i voted against it."

                but wait... it doesn't matter if there was an explanation for that, everyone thinks kerry had a problem with flip flopping and then he just steps right in it anyway.

                but if it doesn't matter if there's an explanation for one, then you must perforce take the same attitude towards the other.  it doesn't matter that there was an explanation behind dean's scream.

                and think about, wasn't there already enough shit out there on dean at the time, that his problem was that he was the epitome of the hysterical screaming liberal.

                well, he just stepped right in it anyway.

                yep. the media makes things up.  there's no crying in politics.

                •  Errr (none)
                  The media flat out made shit up, ran it for days KNOWING it was flat out fabrication.... and therefore Dean deserved what he got? Because um.. well there was "stuff out there!".. ummm I wouldnt want you watching my back my friend. I guess if its slander of someone you arent a fan of its ok?

                  As for Kerry and "i voted for it before i voted against it". Kerry had lots and lots and lots of problems. One of them being one we discussed her Long before the republicans picked up on it. He was a flipflopper. (The quote you're talking about was just a stupid thing to say. He fed the beast). Im not just talkign about the war. He was also an insider. One of the least exciting politicians in america. A SENATOR. And he was a Senator. Then theres the fact he was a Senator. Add on top of that his lack of what Dean,  Sharpton,  and the most of the rest had in spades.. Fire. They were pissed off. And they were  openly hardcore Democrats. They didnt try to play centrists on tv.

                  Dont you think its a little strange that Dean, a centrist, was labeled as a lefty.. and didnt care at all. While Kerry, a true liberal, worked VERY hard to brand himself as a centrist and "just like bush but better!". And got his ass kicked. Americans decided if they were going to have a Bush theyd keep the one they had.

                  The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

                  by cdreid on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 04:25:59 PM PDT

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                •  BTW (none)
                  I like Kerry quite a lot. I was a huge fan of his when noone knew who he was. And of the other Kerry. It took a Kerry and a Kennedy to offset the Damage people like Biden and Lieberman have been doing to the party for years.

                  The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

                  by cdreid on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 04:31:20 PM PDT

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      •  Trainwreck? (none)
        I love the spin now. Trainwreck my ass. Get real!

        We always knew it would be close.

        An incumbant President during War had all the advantages.

        Kerry lost By 60,000 votes out of 120,000,000 cast. Sorry Ohio couldn't get their act together.

        Maybe if you crying babies would have worked a little harder things would be different.

        Maybe if the Kos-sacks had put on their little orange beanies and canvased for Kerry in Ohio like they did for Dean in Iowa things would be diff...oh, wait, never mind.

        •  Sooo (none)
          Kerrys loss.. was because of the Deaniacs who supported him, contributed to him, worked for him....

          Riiiiiight.

          The Democratic party needs to adopt its own moral and values principles (clawed)

          by cdreid on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 04:56:07 AM PDT

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