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  •  Yup, those are the symptoms (19+ / 0-)

    Benzene also causes fetal neuro defects like spina bifida.

    For anyone who doesn't recognize Riki Ott, she has been on the Exxon Valdez spill since '89, the BP spill and is one of the star specialists who is really good at explaining complicated situations. One of the reasons I respect Al Jazeera, they use her and other scientists the American Corporate media won't.

    My ex, an Env Eng (MS) worked the Valdez spill as a safety officer. He distributed PPE, monitoring tags and instructions for workers. One of the problems there still haunts us. The exact pollutants, their dangers, and how to protect from them, are unlikely to be fully known in any given situation. There are too many chemicals that can be involved, combining to form shit no one can figure out. The Valdez spill created many health problems over a huge area, to workers and local inhabitants. This is exactly the problem of spills.

    Several hundred people have reported health problems so far.  
    Public health experts need to have a means of following the local populations so when new problems start surfacing they can be identified early. Bottom line: prevention is the best solution and the best way to do that is to have      NO pipelines.

    "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

    by Ginny in CO on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 02:16:00 PM PDT

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    •  Hey, I'm late to this fray Ginny, but I have a (10+ / 0-)

      serious concern about the pollutants, not only those which are known, but those which according to the oil companies are trade secrets, like those used in fracking.

      I'm finding it pretty ridiculous that the names of the chemicals that will be injected into the earth are trade secrets.  How are we supposed to know what they will do to our drinking water, or the environment when we aren't allowed to know what they are?

      Something is royally screwed up here.

      •  They are serious issues (4+ / 0-)
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        Unfortunately, the fairly complicated response just went into cyberspace and I have to get an errand done before the store closes. Will try later :(

        One good thing may have come from it. I possibly have figured out what causes this for me. My pointer sometimes rolls out of the comment box because I have a regular mouse and a touchscreen due to repetitive strain injuries. I think this usually happens when I go to edit something when the pointer is out of the box. Especially delete or return.

        Further experimenting needed.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 04:02:10 PM PDT

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      •  my response to the "Trade Secret" b.s is- (4+ / 0-)

        you can keep your formula to yourself BUT we want to know that the ingredients are not damaging to humans OR the environment. It is definitely Royally Screwed Up when profit interests override safety and common sense. Let them dole their toxins out as dividends and the CEOs can fill their swimming pools with them. (last sentence is snark)

    •  I was a union worker on the Valdez spill (4+ / 0-)

      and although we had rubber boots and overalls, we were never advised as to the possibility of off-gassing chemicals and wore no repirators.

      I was 18 at the time. My youngest was born with an relatively mild Sturg-Webber Syndrome. I never considered that the two might be related.

      •  Probably not a cause for S-W (0+ / 0-)

        It's been around for a long time but, I checked just to be sure, it's not increasing in incidence. Which would be indicative that environmental toxins could trigger it. That doesn't necessarily rule it out. I have seen some really bizarre medical situations (as an RN) that screamed environmental cause, that the docs would not consider. The potential for very unusual situations to trigger something is not going to make a blip on the incidence stats.

        The spill covered a large area which meant many safety officers with varying levels of expertise, plus variations in the conditions. Alan had equipment that some of the others might not have. I think he had some people working areas that did use respirators and others that didn't. Long time to have accurate memories of those details. I am due to call this week, his health is not good and the docs won't admit the Valdez work easily contributed. Ok if I Kosmail if there is anything worthwhile?
        Do you remember where you were working and any other specifics - dates, weather, clean up chemicals...? Kosmail that if you prefer.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 12:40:13 AM PDT

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