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  •  How is anything (2+ / 0-)
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    going to be passed in the House if you don't negotiate? The Republicans won a majority in the House today. Yes Obama can do e.o.'s but a lot of the important stuff has to be done legislatively.

    Throughout my entire public career I have followed the personal philosophy that I am a free man, an American, a public servant, and a member of my party, in that order always and only." -- LBJ

    by moderatemajority on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 12:23:40 PM PDT

    •  You can't negotiate (8+ / 0-)

      with people who refuse to give up anything.
      You can't negotiate with people whose view is 'Give me what I want or I'll take your toys and go home.'

      I'm surprised that none of the high-ranking Democrats in this administration have figure this out: they've been seeing it for more than four years.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 12:59:38 PM PDT

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      •  Ok, so how are you going to get stuff (1+ / 0-)
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        pass the House?

        Throughout my entire public career I have followed the personal philosophy that I am a free man, an American, a public servant, and a member of my party, in that order always and only." -- LBJ

        by moderatemajority on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 01:03:00 PM PDT

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        •  You don't. (13+ / 0-)

          that is the consequence of electing the tea party.  If the the American people want progress, they need to elect people to do that.

          You walk away from negotiations when one sides demands are insane.  If you are trying to negotiate what people will have for lunch and one side of the table wants pizza and the other side wants to eat the side of the table who wants pizza, you walk away.  You don't negotiate it down to two small pizzas and the other side gets to eat one finger each.

          There are three possible outcomes when you come upon a situation, you can fix it, make it worse or do nothing.  Republicans are determined to make it worse, it works for them electorally and philosophically.  Given that fixing the problem is off the table, the next best option is doing nothing.  Doing something that makes things a little worse but not as bad as if Republicans had gotten their way still results in an unfavorable outcome.  It is always better to do nothing than to make things worse.  

          House republicans cannot be moved from making things worse so than the best outcome is to do nothing, maintain the positions that are logical correct and what the majority want and let the American people decide what happens next.  You don't make a deal simply to have one and you don't sell your soul simply so you can say a deal has been reached.

        •  Respectfully, I'd rather NOTHING pass in the House (13+ / 0-)

          Than a bad deal that cuts Social Security.

          Benefits are already failing to keep up with inflation for seniors and the chained CPI will make matters even worse.

          Instead of holding the line our own side is offering cuts that the GOP doesn't even dare ask for out loud...so they get the cuts they want and the chance to blame the cuts on us.

          Strengthen Social Security has become Orwellian code for shrinking benefits.

          Eliminate the cap on the Social Security tax and make everyone pay their fair share at long last.  That's the only way to strengthen the program.

          And if we can't do it now we do it in 2015 by running on the issue and winning in 2014.

          "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

          by Notthemayor on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 01:29:01 PM PDT

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    •  What PJEvans said. Sure, nothing much (1+ / 0-)
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      will get done, but... so what? The TeaPubs refuse to negotiate, so why are Dems negotiating with them? Fuck that. Harry screwed the pooch when he allowed the TeaPubs off the hook in January by not fixing the filibuster. That has come back to bite him - and us - in the ass. You would have thought Harry would have learned by now that these sociopaths have their fingers crossed behind their backs every time they open their mouths.
      I would not negotiate jack with these mofos.
      And amazed that Harry and the president continue to act like they haven't been down this road about a hundred times. Yet somehow expect different results from this Congress.
      This is the Big Time. The Show. All I ask is that they act like they've been here. Instead, they act like this is their first day. Act like you've been there, Harry. And you, too, Mr. President. Stop acting like this is your first day, out to make a good impression. The sociopaths are only interested in having you for lunch. And are setting the table. And, it looks like you are bringing them dessert. Stop it. Stop acting like this is your first day. It's embarrassing. Act like you won in November.

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