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  •  Trust you? (0+ / 0-)

    Do you have some sort of inside track into the NRA leadership's thinking and plans?  And if the NRA can evolve its position one way, why can't it evolve it the other?  Especially if allowed to do so in a time and fashion of their choosing?

    Whatever you think about gun manufacturers, do you think that industry isn't cognizant of the fact that they're facing off against a single man whose company made more last year than their entire industry combined?  Do you think gun makers relish in living from ban crisis to ban crisis?  We're talking about an industry with thin margins, lots of moms and pops, and a reluctance to grow to meet demand.  

    Plan A sucks, is why.  It actually has a pretty severe downside.  Plan B doesn't, and should have been Plan A in the first place.

    When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

    by Patrick Costighan on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 09:47:29 AM PDT

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    •  No inside track... (1+ / 0-)
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      I do not need it. Their actions are clear. They are quite specific about their goals. They have been on talk shows constantly with very clear messages. And I doubt there are very many "mom and pop" gun manufacturers -- most are huge and rely on government contracts for military weapons; and the big box retailers and gun dealers for the civilian product They are a massive lobby, and in my opnion have many legislators in their pocket.

      Much of the paranoia about "government tryanny" and "taking away all our guns" comes from their efforts -- fortunately, even a lot of their members so not approve of all their methods (and madness).

      •  Tea leaves (1+ / 0-)
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        Here's my read.  The NRA has placed its bets on the Republicans, and it will act in the GOP's best interests.  If that means supporting universal background checks, especially if they can marshall up a substitute to the Democratic bill and get it through the house, then that's that.  Especially if they can do it and eliminate a whole host of gun rights bugaboos at the same time (or at least position themselves for rolling back AWBs and registries at any level of government).  If they can do that and punish Democrats, they will.  

        There are four big manufacturers.  Ruger is the largest, with 1100 employees and $150 million in annual revenue.  The vast majority of gun manufacturers are small and medium businesses, and almost all are privately owned.  The entire industry is about $6 billion a year; peanuts, considering Bloomberg LP pulled in $7 biliion in a year.  This is the big scary gun lobby we're supposed to hate and despise.

        When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

        by Patrick Costighan on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 12:21:39 PM PDT

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        •  correction (1+ / 0-)
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          It is a $12 billion business; and you are correct, there are many small manufacturers. But all this fear of regulation has been a boon to the industry, and they are benfiting from "fear". Moreover, it is not just the manufacturers who can support and pay for a potent lobbying program; the NRA itself has massive funding. Among the largest lobbyists influencing congress, the gun industry is in the top group (right up there with drugs and energy)

          •  6 billion (0+ / 0-)

            According to Christian Science Monitor:

            3. $6 billion
            The estimated revenue brought in by the US gun and ammunition manufacturing industry in 2012, according to a financial report by the research firm D&B First Research based in Austin, Texas. The major manufacturers include Browning Arms, Freedom Group, Olin, Aliant Tech Systems, Sturm, Ruger & Company, and Smith & Wesson.  The biggest companies are Ruger and Smith & Wesson, which represent about 30 percent of the industry.

            Obama’s presidency has been a boon for gun makers, prompting industry analyst Jim Barrett to call the President “the best thing that ever happened to the firearms industry,” in an Associated Press interview. According to an October analysis from AP,  Ruger’s sales have increased 86 percent since Obama took office; Smith & Wesson’s have gone up 41 percent.

            And what happens when the boom dies and you're faced with entire large markets closed off to you?

            When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

            by Patrick Costighan on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 03:30:12 PM PDT

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            •  Perhaps you are right (0+ / 0-)

              I have seenvarious numbers on the size of the industry -- some include ammo and related products. An interesting view is this one "everything you wnat to know about the gun industry"
              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

              At any rate, my concern is far less for the viability of the industry than it is for the safety and well being of our society. Many industries have mostly disappeared as our society (and businesses change). Que sera.

              •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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                In case you forgot what we're talking about, we were discussing the relative power of the gun rights movement and the gun control lobby.  I believe I've just adequately demonstrated that the gun control lobby is significantly better positioned.

                When God gives you lemons, you find a new god.

                by Patrick Costighan on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 12:56:00 PM PDT

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