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  •  "an American icon" (4+ / 0-)
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    JSW from WA, Paper Cup, raincrow, exterris

    uh... Easter is not an "American" Holiday. Chavez was indeed an admirable and remarkable man, but Jesus has two billion followers around the world. In fact I doubt all but a handful of people in the world even knew it was Chavez day. Or even know who Chavez was. And of course without Jesus, Chavez would not have had his moral teaching. Not much of a contest if you ask me.

    And you make a lot of accusations using  sweeping generalities and stereotypes and without any actual evidence:

    many Christians have used the Easter holiday to smear Chavez
    many of the most militant Christians have made it so
    many of those people complaining today about Google adhere to a brand of Christianity that demonizes and exclude
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    primal need of modern American Christians to have overt manifestations of Christian symbols in every display
    those people celebrate the resurrection of a savior they barely know, and that's mostly because they've chosen to ignore the very basics of his message.
    Happy Easter and Cesar Chavez day.
    •  Hahahah (4+ / 0-)
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      Mathazar, Yasuragi, Eyesbright, cosette

      "And of course without Jesus, Chavez would not have had his moral teaching."

      hahahahahahahahahaha.

      "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

      by Grizzard on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 03:50:47 PM PDT

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      •  What is so funny? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Grizzard doesn't know Chavez was a (1+ / 0-)
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          hardcore Catholic.

          YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

          by raincrow on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:52:46 PM PDT

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          •  Yes I do (1+ / 0-)
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            I wrote that in my diary.

            I find the idea that Cesar Chavez wouldn't have a moral compass without Jesus both funny and insulting. It's the argument from morality. And it's especially funny given that Jesus's moral teaching on treating the poor with respect was not teaching limited to Jesus.

            Unless, of course, this is a case of a poorly placed comma. Because I can see where the sentence could be read to mean: Without Jesus, Chavez would not have had Jesus's moral teaching. But the word "his" is pretty unclear in that sentence.

            And it's still probably untrue since, as I said, most of Jesus's teachings had been taught by spiritual teachers independent of Jesus.

            "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

            by Grizzard on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 09:11:27 PM PDT

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    •  Also (6+ / 0-)

      I will assure you that Jesus does not have 2 billion followers around the world.

      Christianity may have 2 billion followers, but the modern manifestation of Christianity is, for many, very different from "following" Christ.

      Also, I've provided you with plenty of evidence that "many Christians" have smeared Chavez. It's in the link I provided, if you'd read the comments there. A lot of the rest of that stuff is my opinion, and I don't claim it to be incontrovertible fact. Just how I see it from the small part of the planet that I inhabit.

      Still, your response is tragic in a way. It provides even more support for a company like Google using this opportunity to promote awareness of Chavez since, as you say, Jesus is so well-known (even if people don't actually listen to him), while Chavez is not.

      those people celebrate the resurrection of a savior they barely know, and that's mostly because they've chosen to ignore the very basics of his message.
      Also, on this final point, if you need "evidence" for this claim, then you are not paying attention. You live on a planet where thousands of people die every single day of hunger, and where millions of people have no shoes, but so-called "Christians" of American live in opulence. All while Jesus preached about eschewing worldly riches and helping the poor.

      You want evidence? How's this:

      "Africa."

      "I believe that, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil." ~Bobby Kennedy

      by Grizzard on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 03:56:55 PM PDT

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      •  Huh? (3+ / 0-)
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        ?Christianity has 2 billion followers but Christ doesn't? How do you know?

        A solitary website is "evidence"? really. And now you say  "is my opinion" ?maybe you should have stated that from the beginning?

        And yet again you claim "people don't actually listen to him"

        And as for this:

        but so-called "Christians" of American live in opulence"
        Yes and so do so called liberals and so called caring and so called anything else. What does that illogical fallacy even  mean? Care to name the so called Christians by name and deed? No?

        Christianity is the reason we have the poor?  Quite the opposite. i know what we do for the poor. You know all the practicing ones you lump together and smear with the hypocrites.

        I am trying to point out that when you denigrate over 2 billion people for their religious beliefs with nothing but name calling you are going to get a receptive hearing.

        •  You can't argue with monumental, willful ignorance (1+ / 0-)
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          and bigotry, Mister T. UID 479428 cannot be bothered with scholarship, inconvenient facts, etc., because such endeavors do not support her/his worldview.

          YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

          by raincrow on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:55:04 PM PDT

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