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  •  Not Carver, who you replied to. (0+ / 0-)

    He said "I can't think of one piece of solid evidence that Jesus, as he is portrayed in the Gospels, existed."

    If there is historical evidence that Jesus existed, but not that he was divine and a performer of miracles, then that statement is still correct.

    •  Even his life as "significant" are also not in (0+ / 0-)

      real true debate. To what extent and how exact events took place are debatable, of course, but his life did have impact to those around him.

      Historians of the early times didn't write about every man who might have been executed for some breech against the king or temple. If they did, they would have been writing about nothing else...as apparently weekday executions were a lunchtime activity for the fun of those in power and very, very common.

      Jesus was significant enough to have been placed in multiple writings of the period and with reference to his teachings and the happenings of the time and so we know that for at least a few years he was notable enough in his activities to have been noticed to that degree.

      Naturally, what one believes about his actual divinity and/or miracles is left up to the person studying his teachings but again, he lived and breathed and his existence in that regard is not debated and apparently  some things of significance happened during that time or else he wouldn't have made even a footnote in any historical writings. As it was, he had enough of an impact and enough eventual followers that it led to the Catholic church and all of the historical events that followed.

      •  I'm not arguing with you about that. (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not disputing that he existed.

        I'm saying that what Carver said is technically still correct, since in the Gospels Jesus is portrayed as being divine, and performing miracles.  Since there's no historical evidence of this, it's completely accurate to say there's no evidence that he existed in real life in the way that he's portrayed in the Gospels.

        You are confusing "didn't exist in the way he's portrayed" with "didn't exist."  Not the same thing.

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