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  •  It's irrelevant (2+ / 0-)
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    cosette, Smoh

    when we're talking about historical evidence.

    A religion being powerful and convincing, and the fact that 2 billion people believe it, does not magically create historical evidence of Jesus's divinity out of thin air.

    Between this and your statement below in response to raincrow, where you argue that the number of Christians that don't necessarily believe in Jesus as the son of God is statistically insignificant, the implication seems to be that you're arguing that the number of people who believe in it is evidence enough that it must be true.

    Well, sorry, but history doesn't work that way.

    •  not at all (0+ / 0-)

      The original point way back was that the diarist smeared "many" and "so many" and "they" "all those" Christians as mean nasty people. Then chimed in that he didn't exist. I simply pointed out that he did according to most scholars. Then someone claimed that "a ton" of Christians don't believe in his divinity- that is where my significance remark is from. I would state that the number on Christians who so not believe in Jesus's divinity is extremely small among the 2 billion Christians in the world. Absent any evidence to the contrary I'll hold to that.

      One can believe or not about his divinity. I do not think belief "magically" affirms history. It does however provide evidence of something that is so powerful that it resonates with so many people over the entire world for so long. The world's most populous religion isn't exactly a fad.

      •  No, it's not a fad. (1+ / 0-)
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        But when you say it "provides evidence of something so powerful it resonates with so many people...", well, all that belief really proves is how powerful it is.  It provides no evidence that the belief itself is historically correct.

        As I said, I thought what you meant was that the fact that 2 billion people believed in Jesus's divinity meant it must be true.  If I misinterpreted that, then I apologize.

        For what it's worth, I think that either Jesus or a person/people like him probably existed, and probably taught many of the things mentioned.  But as a non-believer, I also don't believe he had any special powers, or was divine in any way.  That doesn't mean his teachings shouldn't be followed.

        •  we're cool (0+ / 0-)

          I might need to clarify that when I say that the current numbers and historic presence  of Christianity belies something more than "oh just another idea to explain the mysterious" school of though. And I would add other global, historical and populous religions as well. It speaks to a faith that, for whatever reason, IS believed to be true by so many people that it might deserve some sort of consideration. I am a Christian and I can see the flaws in the man side of the equation, but I do not think it rules out the message.


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