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  •  I'm sure he used the word (1+ / 0-)
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    But who did the fabricating?  Bush or others inside Iraq?  You said the US received data that was lies, which implies it was someone else.

    Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

    by Sky Net on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 04:40:42 PM PDT

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    •  Both. (3+ / 0-)

      Starting at 3:40, where he goes into the intelligence that the Bush administration used.

    •  Yes, I agree. Bush was not capable of doing an (0+ / 0-)

      action as sophisticated as "fabricating". I would believe him if he said Bush made some mud and pushed it around with sticks while Cheney (Perle and co) did the fabricating.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 07:49:46 PM PDT

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      •  Actually: (3+ / 0-)
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        I think Bush was capable of doing such a thing. In his book "Decision Points," Bush talked about how he believed that Saddam was responsible for a plot on the life of his father in 1994 during a visit to Saudi Arabia. You have to have hatred for the other person in order to start a war against them, and Bush certainly had the requisite hatred, seeing that he was willing to believe anything about them.

        •  I think he was morally capable, but I don't think (2+ / 0-)
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          he was mentally capable of fabricating something as elaborate. He was capable of fabricating the central idea that Hussein was guilty.
          Ultimately all of this falls on the oil companies. They had the CIA act to depose the Iranian pres. and install the Shah. His brutality led to the Iranian revolution. This determined the dynamics of what happened in Iraq. The oil cos. (Cheney) took advantage of everyone's nervousness about energy security (incl. compliant Dems like Kerry) to make a grab for Iraqi oil. Bush was the place-holder for the oil cos., but I don't think he was the designer of any of what unfolded in Iraq. The idea that Saddam tried to kill his Dad was a convenient piece that rationalized the effort for him personally.
          Anyway, I was just taking a gratuitous shot at Bush's stupidity,...because.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 06:25:46 AM PDT

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    •  The 'Office of Special Plans' (6+ / 0-)

      in the pentagon was tasked with generating disinformation about WMDs.  Check out Doug Feith's connections through Italian intelligence to the ineptly forged 'yellowcake' letter.  Karen kwiatkowski an insider and whistleblower documented it extensively, as have others, including Curveball himself.

      •  Dated but related (2+ / 0-)
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        is this article, Drinking the Kool-Aid, which might also be useful for future reference.

        Sometime in the spring of 2000, Stephen Hadley, now Condoleeza Rice's deputy at the National Security Council (NSC), briefed a group of prominent Republican party policymakers on the national-security and foreign-policy agenda of a future George W. Bush administration. Hadley was one of a group of senior campaign policy advisers to then-Texas Governor Bush known collectively as "the Vulcans." The group, in addition to Hadley, included Rice, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle and had been assembled by George Shultz and Dick Cheney beginning in late 1998, when Bush first launched his presidential bid.

        Hadley's briefing shocked a number of the participants, according to Clifford Kiracofe, a professor at the Virginia Military Institute, who spoke to several of them shortly after the meeting. Hadley announced that the "number-one foreign-policy agenda" of a Bush administration would be Iraq and the unfinished business of removing Saddam Hussein from power. Hadley also made it clear that the Israel-Palestine conflict, which had dominated the Middle East agenda of the Clinton administration, would be placed in the deep freeze.

        Dr. Kiracofe's account of the pre-election obsession of the Vulcans with the ouster of Saddam Hussein is corroborated by former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's memory of the first meetings of the Bush National Security Council, which he attended in late January and early February of 2001. Ron Suskind's book The Price of Loyalty, based on O'Neill's memory and notes, tells us of an NSC meeting, ten days into the Bush administration, at which both the Israel-Palestine and Iraq situations were discussed.

        and taking the liberty here in this long piece to add a few words from another paragraph:
        One interesting thing about those at the meeting is that no one present or in the background had any substantive knowledge of the Middle East. It is one thing to have traveled to the area as a senior government official. It is another to have lived there and worked with the people of the region for long periods of time. People with that kind of experience in the Muslim world are strangely absent from Team Bush.
        Can we not also apply this to the foreign policy team of the current administration. Quoting the author of this piece quite recently, "BHO's foreign policy is run by political hacks and grad students who never grew up."

        Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

        by truong son traveler on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 03:26:02 AM PDT

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