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  •  Looking forward (11+ / 0-)

    prosecution is so divisive.

    The mantra of the Clintons and Obama. The reason I didn't vote Hillary in the primary and hope never to have her on a ballot again as an alternative to a teabag/reactionary/rightwing/conservative/neolibertarian/fascistwannabe(who doesn't speak German) etc Goper.

    •  God yeah... It's been all Hillary all day (19+ / 0-)

      on MSNBC.  The same family that gave us Erskine Bowles and Rahm Emanuel and Lawrence Summers.  I thought when I voted for Obama I was voting against all the old defenders of the Democratic Party establishment status quo.

      An hour ago, while listening to Hardball, I thought of starting a new group, "Hillary Please Just Go Away."

      Here it is, 2013, and it's already as if the primaries are a formality.

      •  It's Hillary all day on DKos too. (10+ / 0-)

        Certain FPers just can't get enough of her.  

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 06:43:40 PM PDT

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        •  It's almost like some folks see a ton of ad (3+ / 0-)
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          revenue potential, and some shiny new bikes in a catalog...

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 08:35:37 PM PDT

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        •  a former aide to Hillary, Suzanne Nossel is the (8+ / 0-)

          executive director the Human Rights organization PEN and because of that Chris Hedges has canceled his speech (scheduled for next month) and resigned from the organization.

          The article says she "may have" coined the term "soft power" and I read this excerpt a few times thinking this sounds like a sales job for waging war everywhere  to rule the freakin world, shape it in our image.
           Everyone else with integrity should resign as well, asap.

          http://www.truthdig.com/...
           2004 Foreign Affairs article by Nossel titled “Smart Power: Reclaiming Liberal Internationalism”:

          To advance from a nuanced dissent to a compelling vision, progressive policymakers should turn to the great mainstay of twentieth-century U.S. foreign policy: liberal internationalism, which posits that a global system of stable liberal democracies would be less prone to war. Washington, the theory goes, should thus offer assertive leadership—diplomatic, economic, and not least, military—to advance a broad array of goals: self-determination, human rights, free trade, the rule of law, economic development, and the quarantine and elimination of dictators and weapons of mass destruction (WMD)
          (emphasis mine)

          Here is Chris Hedges...

          In addition to working for the State Department under Hillary Clinton as deputy assistant secretary of state for international organization affairs, Nossel has worked as executive director of Amnesty International USA, and for Human Rights Watch and The Wall Street Journal.

          Chris Hedges emailed the following statement to PEN and it is reprinted here with his permission:

          I will not be participating as a speaker in the PEN World Voices Festival in May. I will not participate because of your decision to select Suzanne Nossel as Executive Director of the PEN American Center.  This appointment makes a mockery of PEN as a human rights organization and belittles the values PEN purports to defend.  I spent seven years in the Middle East, most of them as the Middle East Bureau Chief of The New York Times.  The suffering of the Palestinians under Israeli occupation and the plight of those caught up in our imperial wars in countries such as Iraq are not abstractions to me. Nossel’s relentless championing of preemptive war—which under international law is illegal—as a State Department official along with her callous disregard for Israeli mistreatment of the Palestinians and her refusal as a government official to denounce the use of torture and use of extra-judicial killings, makes her utterly unfit to lead any human rights organization, especially one that has global concerns. PEN American Center, by appointing Nossel, has unwittingly highlighted its own failure to defend and speak out for our dissidents, especially Bradley Manning. I hereby resign from PEN.  I will wait until the organization returns to its original mandate to defend those who are persecuted, including those within the United States, before returning to the organization.  

          Sincerely,

           Chris Hedges

          without the ants the rainforest dies

          by aliasalias on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 11:32:15 PM PDT

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      •  Hillary isn't Bill (4+ / 0-)
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        She deserves to stand in her own shadow.

        But, with that said, her supposed long-standing admiration of The Iron Broadside of Britain does not endear me to her.


        A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

        by bronte17 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 08:20:26 PM PDT

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        •  Hillary Clinton is an entirely unrconstructed (1+ / 0-)
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          -- to use her own term -- "Goldwater Girl."

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:14:27 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah, it is distasteful but she was young (0+ / 0-)

            and perhaps has grown and expanded her philosophical moorings.


            A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

            by bronte17 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:23:49 PM PDT

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            •  Actually, no, she hasn't. (0+ / 0-)

              Same corporatism with some overlarded "small business" pap; same bellicosity.

              The Democratic Party has moved so far to the right that it now encompasses the "None Dare Call It Treason" crowd.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:41:41 AM PDT

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    •  As much as I would love to vote (2+ / 0-)
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      for a woman, and as much as I respect Hilary Clinton, I cannot vote for her.

      Respect does not mean agree.

      I have no doubt I will find someone with more progressive values to vote for.

    •  "prosecution is so divisive" (10+ / 0-)

      Yes.  Following the law is just so darned politically inconvenient.

      Even though the Obama administration is obliged by U.S. and international law to investigate the ample evidence of war crimes by the previous administration, and to prosecute accordingly ... (and is breaking the law itself in not doing so) ...

      Well, it just such hard work to follow the law!  

      And if they did uphold the law ... why, it might cause Republicans to be mad at them!  

      And then the Republicans wouldn't cooperate with them any more in the glowing spirit of bipartisanship they've demonstrated over the last four years!

      •  Torture is just the tip of the iceberg, a tool to (9+ / 0-)

        cover up what's lurking below, which is humongous.

        This is why they are making examples out of whistle blowers and looking forward, not back on their own malfeasance.

        They're like the Titanic blowhards.  They think our country is too big to fail, but they're driving it into an iceberg of their own making that will sink us all, economically and ecologically.  They drowned our country's moral authority.  Now they're busy removing the life boats, medicaid and social security, to make more room for their pricey wars of attrition that are not only destroying their manufactured enemies of the day, but us.

        Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

        by CIndyCasella on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 09:37:44 PM PDT

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      •  as the rest of the world recognizes, the USA does (8+ / 0-)

        not prosecute its own war criminals, never has and I doubt that by now most of the world expects anything to change on that front.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 11:50:10 PM PDT

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