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  •  A credible plot (19+ / 0-)

    or at least one that doesn't call for suspending disbelief well over half the time.

    Recently, I listened to Retirement Homes Can Be Murder by Mike Befeler. Now, I wasn't thinking Agatha Christie when I started out,  and it's admirable to have elderly characters (including sex lives), but this one was a doozy -- complete with two octogenarians in a Batman TV series cliffhanger situation!

    •  wow! (16+ / 0-)

      That does sound amazing.  :)

      Yes, I agree about credibility in mysteries.  I just started and I am nearly finished with Winterkill which is the next Joe Pickett story and it is intensely credible.  

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      by cfk on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:20:25 PM PDT

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    •  It's equally important in SF, fantasy, or comics (2+ / 0-)
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      cfk, RiveroftheWest

      One of the reasons I wasn't fond of the most recent Batman movie was because of what the late John Gardner called frigidity:  an author/scriptwriter/director being so in love with an idea/phrase/plot twist/characterization that s/he keeps it regardless of whether it makes sense, is consistent, or goes against something previously established.  A very skilled writer can sometimes get away with this, but most of the time it fails pretty spectacularly.

      In the case of The Dark Knight Rises, I simply couldn't get past the sheer stupidity of the idea of a single gang holding a major American city hostage with a nuclear bomb not for a few days, or even a week, but for several MONTHS without intervention from the federal government, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, or anyone else...and just how did they feed themselves?  Receive even minimal supplies?  Clean the streets?  Power the buildings?  Keep the water clean, the people fed so they didn't, you know, REVOLT?  

      It just made my head hurt, since all the angst and darkness and fine acting and elegant visual design was completely wrecked by the implausibility of this.  It's as the production team was so in love with the idea that they didn't care about whether it made any sense.  

      Add in that supposedly there's a law that allows the police to "wipe out organized crime" (seemingly by ignoring legal procedure and the Constitution, and how this ever got past either a state legislature, Congress, or the courts is beyond me), Batman healing on his own from a broken back despite being a prisoner), that there doesn't seem to any reaction from the people who are actually being held hostage (does no one try to escape?  Have a blog or a cell phone?  Are there no policemen besides Joseph Gordon-Levitt who are even willing to try to end the situation?  No one from the National Guard or the local Army base?), and so on, and so on, and so on, and....

      I know a lot of people liked this movie because it was dark and serious, but me?  I just couldn't take it.  And I'm not the only one - yes, it made a pile of money, but not only did it receive a single Oscar nomination, it wasn't even nominated for the two major genre awards, the Hugos and the Nebulas.   That is deadly, especially for the Hugos, which are based on fan votes.

      I swear, every single writer should be required to read James Burke's Connections to learn about how one technological change leads inevitably to others, then submit a major and convoluted plot to a group of D&D players to see how and if they can blow it to pieces.....

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