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  •  If he doesn't get "Gored" (10+ / 0-)

    I'll be surprised.

    •  His credentials are unassailable, though. (6+ / 0-)

      Gore was gored because he's a librul politician, and kind of dorky. Hansen is far less vulnerable, even though of course they WILL go after him with ad hominem crap, as they do everyone.

      "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by Kombema on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 07:18:00 PM PDT

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      •  "vulnerable" doesn't enter into right-wingers' (6+ / 0-)

        calculations.  They go after people viciously, with lie after lie, until the person is destroyed by the sheer volume of lies.

        We progressives keep thinking rationally.  These tea baggers are not rational.  They are vile haters who will attack, ridicule, humiliate and fabricate anything they want to, whether a person is vulnerable or not.

        (which is exactly why no one should be trying to compromise with them - there is no such thing)

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 08:30:41 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed. I just think that Hansen will be able to (1+ / 0-)
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          weather the storm better than Gore. But the attacks will be vicious and withering, as you note. But I think the Good Guys are better positioned and organized now to fight back.

          "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

          by Kombema on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:46:38 AM PDT

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        •  There is environmental crossover with some (0+ / 0-)

          religious types.  I have a theocon coworker/friend that "high fives" me as he calls it on environmental issues, based upon his desire to be a good steward of the earth.  

          Cannot get him to agree with much of anything else of course, and we argue, but seeing as this is a bridge I have with a real live theocon, maybe it is proof that it could be worthwhile to take this message to the religious institutions as well.

          Give them something to throw their weight behind that isn't gay marriage or abortion!

          Agree on one topic, and the truth you lay down on others starts to soak in.  I did get him to admit cutting spending alone isn't a fix it all, or even a fix something...

      •  Everybody's assailable. (0+ / 0-)

        So Dr. Hansen. you are on record as saying that 350ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere represents a "tipping point" for runaway greenhouse effects.

        We're well past that now -- and the CO2 concentration is climbing.

        If you were correct, isn't it too late to think about remediation and time to think about survivial?

        You were correct, weren't you?

        You're sure about that?

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        by dinotrac on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:12:50 PM PDT

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        •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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          His comments about the imperative of 350ppm were made long after we'd exceeded 350ppm, FYI. He's just saying that's just a general ceiling / target for longer-term levels, to prevent major one-way tipping points, climatically, over decadal-to-century time scales. Geez man, no gotcha here.

          "A witness stand is a lonely place to lie. (...) We put fear and prejudice on trial, and fear and prejudice lost." -David Boies

          by corkys debt on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:29:29 AM PDT

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          •  There's a big gotcha there. (0+ / 0-)

            If the number is just a "general ceiling, target", then the question is how that came to be a ceiling or target, and what the REAL target should be.

            Which leads to charges of fear-mongering and/or  creative truth-telling.

            There is also a little problem with the idea of what a tipping point really means.

            There is, of course, the potential of runaway warming a la Venus -- and that is a point considerably higher than where we are now, but if you look at, for example, there is a whole litany of states short of that which include changes that are described as irreversible.

            And, if we've incurred irreversible changes (PS -- anything that can be caused by current CO2 levels might as well be considered irreversible given how long CO2 hangs around),  don't we just have to learn how to live with them?

            Etc, etc.

            This is what happens when you step out of the Science world into the public policiy world, and those, frankly, are questions that should be asked and answered in fora for lay people to hear.

            If the good doctor is as passionate about making a difference as he appears to be, he should do well.

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            by dinotrac on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:10:44 AM PDT

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      •  Tea Part Nation hates science, (0+ / 0-)

        so "credentials" from the sciences are actually anathema to them. Hansen will be smeared as a "big government librul" who is "anti-business" trying to destroy free market capitalism, "which made this country great."

        All so predictable. And stupid.

        "I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -- John Stuart Mill (March, 1866)

        by Blood on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:59:25 AM PDT

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