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  •  Marriage in the Talmud did not involve the state (0+ / 0-)

    Rome was the enemy and the rabbis had no interest in getting involved with the Romans any more than what the Romans made necessary.  There are three methods of marriage:

    1.  By money.  The man gives money to the lady as consideration for becoming his wife.  So there would be no questionable marriages, Rabbi Hillel decreed the amount could be as low as a perutah, translated today as a penny.  Today, this money is a ring.

    2.  By contract.  Both parties sign a contract and they are married.  This is still done at Jewish weddings today.

    3.  By sex.  At traditional Jewish weddings, the couple is left alone for the first part of the reception-dinner and they are expected to consumate the marriage.  I couldn't imagine doing this with all those guests on the other side of the door.

    A traditional Jewish marriage encompasses all three, but any one will suffice.  Before Jews were emancipated as citizens between the 17th and 19th centuries, there was no involvement by the state.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:52:45 PM PDT

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    •  On point (3): Not just "left alone" ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... but escorted to a private room with only one entrance, with two witnesses by the door to see that they both go in, and that neither of them leaves and no one else enters for a specified period of time.

      Practically speaking, since it is traditional for the bride and groom to fast on the day of the wedding until after the ceremony, what goes on in that room is often little more than finally having something to eat and drink.  (Possibly accompanied by intermittent smooches.)

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