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  •  Urban violence seems to be widespread throughout (8+ / 0-)

    the New World, it's not strictly an American phenom. It would be an interesting study to see if there is some cultural connection between all the big cities in North and South America.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:49:13 PM PDT

    •  Well, the places that aren't like that (7+ / 0-)

      Europe and Japan, maybe Singapore and a few other cities, often have less poverty than we do in relation to their higher earners.

      And I'm not sure city crime is so widespread in the Americas as you think. Look at Mexico City (from a 2010 article at USA Today I found about Mexican crime):

      "Washington, D.C.'s murder rate is nearly quadruple that of the Mexican capital, Mexico City. Washington's murder rate was 31.4 per 100,000 people in 2008; Mexico City's rate in 2009 was 8"

      One problem with the way we look at Latin American crime stats is that we forget how bad our own are.

      •  recent homicide rates data (6+ / 0-)

        from the UN

        one of the problems with these data is under-reporting from areas at war, or where whole towns wind up "disappeared'

        Narco-wars in Latin America  contribute to a lot of the murders (as does war on drugs here)

        My husband travels to Mexico fairly frequently to Michoacán.  His hosts have to employ armed guards to prevent their children from being kidnapped and workers from being slaughtered.


        There are few places in the world that have little of it - unfortunately.

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        by Denise Oliver Velez on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:38:46 PM PDT

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        •  Michoacan is not all of Mexico (0+ / 0-)

          Mexico has over 100 million people, most of whom experience crime rates lower than much of the United States. Michoacan happens to be one of the states where the govt recently launched a front in the drug war. There are 4 states in particular where the drug crime is very serious, a couple more that are very troubled, and the rest are fine to visit.

          Note that one of the most horrific attacks on foreigners recently involved a group of Spanish tourists in Aculpulco. That group of tourists was actively buying drugs from a local cartel. If you don't do that, the chances of something like that happening to you is very low.

          The Yucatan, by contrast, has a crime rate similar to Finland. Mexico city has the rate I quoted in my comment above. Millions of Americans have visited Mexico in the last few years without incident, and in fact are statistically safer than if they had stayed at home. I've done a lot of research on this recently, as I'm planning on going to study down there, and it's almost hilarious the paranoia Americans have about Mexico while we reside in cities or states with higher rates than many Mexican regions.

          And I disagree that Mexico underreports crimes like murder - Mexico is not some backwater. The entire country is not a "war zone."  Murders get a lot of attention in the Mexican media. There is enormous concern about crime down there, but also frustration that Americans are so hypocritical about it (especially since a lot of the crime that does exist is driven by our own drug policies). It is probably true Mexico underreports things like rape, but then again, so do we.

    •  dopper: an amazing TED talk about (8+ / 0-)

      the ills income inequality brings on society, by Richard Wilkerson:

      (TED's embed code doesn't seem to work here.)

      Richard Wilkinson charts the hard data on economic inequality, and shows what gets worse when rich and poor are too far apart: real effects on health, lifespan, even such basic values as trust.

      In "The Spirit Level," Richard Wilkinson charts data that proves societies that are more equal are healthier, happier societies

      "Throwing a knuckleball for a strike is like throwing a butterfly with hiccups across the street into your neighbor's mailbox." -- Willie Stargell

      by Yasuragi on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:53:37 PM PDT

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