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  •  correct, I don't believe in either premise (2+ / 0-)
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    gerrilea, FrankRose

    that the military would crack down on civilians, or that some right-wing/left-wing militia would muster to pose a threat to the government.

    Hyperbole being answered with hyperbole does nothing to advance the discussion, IMO.

    •  Hutaree were a real org (0+ / 0-)

      and there is evidence at least that the Aryan Brotherhood is embarking on a pogrom against law enforcement officials in Texas and Colorado. right wing militia organizations and membership are at an all time high.

      those are uncomfortable realities that make the possibility of an organized, armed insurrection something less than hyperbolic. and given that, and the botching of Waco and Ruby Ridge, how exactly does the military get pulled off the table as a potential response? nothing in the constitution prevents it in case of just such an occurrence, only against individual homegrown terrorists.

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      by kamarvt on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:16:38 AM PDT

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      •  The military really wouldn't be necessary (1+ / 0-)
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        gerrilea

        Not directly.

        They'd be available to provide arms and training to the local/state/federal police.

        But it wouldn't be soldiers going after them. It would be the cops.

      •  The Hutaree were acquitted and amounted to (0+ / 0-)

        nothing more than people hating the government.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        "The court is aware that protected speech and mere words can be sufficient to show a conspiracy. In this case, however, they do not rise to that level," the judge said on the second anniversary of raids and arrests that broke up the group.

        Roberts granted requests for acquittal on the most serious charges: conspiring to commit sedition, or rebellion, against the U.S. and conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction. Other weapons crimes tied to the alleged conspiracies also were dismissed.

        Why are you perpetuating fear here???

        Not every American loves their government.  I know there are moments that I absolutely hate it, does that make me part of some militia planning on taking on it on???

        NO!  And seriously, what would an insurrection look like today?  A bunch of guys raiding the local armory?  And then what?  Take over the court house? Or the Mayor's Office?  And you don't think the 20+ yrs of the militarization of our Police Forces would be utilized?

        I know they would and it would end in a couple minutes.  Maybe if they wanted more funding they'd make it last a few hours, but a couple minutes would all it would take to get the bad guys.

        I don't buy into the fear porn that there are "evil" Americans plotting to overthrow the gubmint!  They really aren't that stupid.  It would take a full scale door-to-door sweep of this nation to collect all the firearms before you'd see anyone shooting their family or friends or starting a real civil war here.

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        by gerrilea on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:43:59 PM PDT

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    •  We're talking about perception here. (2+ / 0-)
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      MaikeH, ssgbryan

      There are plenty of people in this country who think that if Obama starts rounding people up and shipping them to gulags--and they think that's not merely possible they think it's inevitable, make no mistake--the U.S. military, full of true, gun-loving patriots,  will immediately change sides and start taking their orders from the head of the Tea Party.

      Of course, this is absurd.  Illogical.

      But you're dealing with the TP/NRA/Dixienuts here.  Logic is not their strong point.

      And what they think is important. Because these idiots vote. And fund candidates. Who sometimes win.

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:34:30 AM PDT

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