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  •  I'm not worried about foreign invasion, if that's (0+ / 0-)

    supposed to be the point of "deterrence".  That's smacks of a Red Scare situation which was based on an escalating fear which made for a highly malleable citizenry - it led to opportunities for demonizing perfectly good USA citizens for decades, as an example.  Not productive.

    You're quoting from extremist websites with rather silly arguments, btw.  None of these things are rational: we have organized counterinsurgency and there's no need to invade our shores or otherwise.  Red Dawn was slash fiction.

    The point still stands untouched: why continue to build up our own military that paranoid gun owners are wary of resisting with their weapons at some future point?  There's a blind spot in their thinking, and it's all due to cultural manipulation: fear the dark person (or other) getting into your personal space, so own and carry various weapons; further, fear the government's motives at least equally as dark assailants, and arm yourself further - rugged individualist you are and all.

    That's the silly and without merit argument, right there.  Essentially, fear drives more gun sales, which helps only gun manufacturers and their political cohorts.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 11:00:26 PM PDT

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    •  this is where I don't think we're going to agree. (1+ / 0-)
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      Without getting into a (albeit short) laundry list of the firearms I do own, none were bought out of fear... the exception being the 1903 Springfield I bought because I know others in the shop were interested in it (and if I would have held out a few weeks longer, found one in better condition.  Whats stopping me?  Blowing another two grand, to be honest).

      Collector, totally. Hunter, yes. Range plinker, guilty as charged.  Scardy cat?  Nah, you need to do a better job of convincing me that with the exception of one historic rifle, I've made any fear-driven firearm purchases.  I see a lot of the fear angle coming from folks who are not gun owners.  I see a lot of folks scared of guns, and a few folks scared of guns trying to convince gun owners that they only own guns out of... fear?  

      Your comments in particular about 'dark people' getting into my personal space?  Dark people, really? You mean my stepfather? My cousin? pardon me while I mock you trying to insinuate that some kind of 'dark people' are driving my fear-based gun purchases, when I happen to eat dinner with at least one 'dark person' most Sundays.  

      I can see how some folks, you may feel they are extremists, couch their defense of the second amendment.  I feel it's a reasonable explanation, from the perspective that they do not trust their government. I'm not that person, though, because if I were, I would have been wholesale foolish to work for the government (military) for ten years, given them (the NSA) access to my background information for security clearances (twice), then proceeded to give them more (personal information and fingerprints, again) for additional state background checks to carry concealed and for my foid card.  Who is so paranoid of the government, that they give them that much information? repeatedly?

      I consider people who want to see the 2nd amendment struck from the bill of rights as extremists, as well as folks who want to ban certain firearms which look scary.  I find their arguments reasonable, too, from their perspective that they don't trust an average citizen with "that kind of firepower" but not something I'm willing to support.  I'm not that person either, because I'd be going against my self interests, similar to how a person who mistrusts the government would invite them into my business as much as I have.

      Yeah, I'm just not buying what your selling from either the fear, race, or government angles.  Not at all.

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