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  •  I think we need more praise for Kirk here. (11+ / 0-)

    He's an actual Republican without a (known) gay family member who's taking the right position, and he's doing it for the right reason.  I think we worry too much about full-throated praise for this or that (occasional!) praiseworthy thing a Republican might do, because we fear it would confuse the message about voting against that person next time.  There's no confusion: Kirk is a Republican and he's therefore wrong about almost every issue of consequence in our society, just like he used to be wrong about this one.  But now he's right about this one and he gave a pretty awesome reason.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:45:14 AM PDT

    •  He's also probably more concerned (0+ / 0-)

      with what continuing to oppose it would do to his general election prospects come 2016. He can't be seen as doing it just out of political expediency when the race is close.

    •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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      There were the rumors (by Illinois Republicans) that Kirk was a closeted gay man.  It will be interesting to see how the rest of the Illinois GOP reacts.  I say good for him, whether he's gay or not.  And for the record, he has denied the rumors.  

      "Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred." Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by djbender on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:09:02 AM PDT

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    •  his comments on his web site make me think (1+ / 0-)
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      that stroke might have knocked some sense into him.
      if he's being honest, that is. but still, i'll take it.

      "When I climbed the Capitol steps in January, I promised myself that I would return to the Senate with an open mind and greater respect for others.

      Same-sex couples should have the right to civil marriage. Our time on this Earth is limited, I know that better than most. Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back-- government has no place in the middle."

      http://blogs.suntimes.com/...

      Change is inevitable. Change for the better is a full-time job. -- Adlai E. Stevenson (GOTV)

      by marzook on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 10:20:32 AM PDT

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    •  I think his statement of support (1+ / 0-)
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      is much firmer than Portman's.  Portman basically said he thinks gay people should be able to get married, but he doesn't necessarily consider it a right, and that it should be left to the states.

      Conversely, Kirk said it SHOULD be a right, and mentioned nothing of states' rights.

    •  This is an ugly remark. (0+ / 0-)

      No offense, but sometimes, what it takes to knock some sense into people is having a family member come out.  It's one of the reasons people come out (though, clearly, not the only one, or even a major one).

      Knocking people who come around after a kid or a brother or a sister comes out is counter to the LGBT cause.

      We WANT straight allies.  It doesn't matter how we come by them.

      •  Oh, give me a break. (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't say anything "ugly" about the idea of supporting gay rights because you have a gay relative; I simply said that it was more admirable to support gay rights even in the absence of a gay relative.  You can contest that if you like (I think it's a suicide mission, but freedom means freedom for everyone, as Cheney said), but it's ludicrous to think it's ugly.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 01:11:39 PM PDT

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        •  It is ugly. (0+ / 0-)

          Sorry if it gets a lot of partisan support here, but it's fundamentally an ugly remark, and it's not ludicrous here to think so.

          I know, I know.  GOP = Bad No Matter What.  Dems = Good No Matter What.

          Tribalism at its worst, and it goes on here just as well as everywhere else.

          •  I took it as, instead of tribalism, an observation (0+ / 0-)

            that we often feel that way. "I think we worry too much about full-throated praise for..."
            Poster seems to be pointing out what is so in how we feel and act. He feels we aren't praising Kirk enough because of this, and does.

            If you meant the part that a Republican he's on the wrong side of most issues...I think that is just factual.

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