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  •  One of the things I question is when (12+ / 0-)

    I see workers using absorbents on the lawns and fields and such. Gotta be just for show.

    Only way to remove that oil or really any oil spilled on land is to remove the entire top portion of dirt with it.

    These spills require a 100% cleanup and that's the only way to do that. Take the dirt away, bring in new dirt.

    That means bring in the heavy equipment. They might figure interest will wane to the point where they can do that and no one will notice they're carting away the neighborhood.


    No way. Get it over with.

    It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

    by Fishgrease on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:06:46 PM PDT

    •  That's a Superfund site (4+ / 0-)
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      They are not going to be able to just remove the dirt from some of those properties.  They're gone.

      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:23:08 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know. (6+ / 0-)

        For all people say about this heavy oil, it's not as long-term toxic as refined product. Also, by definition, it's thick viscous stuff and doesn't readily sink into the soil very far. Gasoline or diesel pipeline spills, there's your Superfund site. All the octane and lead-replacement supplements they add in the refinery make tar sands oil seem mild. That light stuff just sucks right down into the soil, too.

        That's probably not a copacetic thing to say amongst people who hate the prospect of tar sands development. It's just true. Doesn't address the global warming aspect of tar sands. That's still there. But as far as toxicity and even corrosion potential (in a properly maintained pipeline) tar sands oil is amongst the more benign hydrocarbon liquids moved by truck or pipeline.

        None of the dirt in modern neighborhoods is virgin anyway. It was hauled in from somewhere. Haul it back out of there and haul some more clean dirt in.

        I've just heard that heavy oil pipelines don't have to contribute to the cleanup fun though. That's obviously horse shit and it needs to be changed immediately.

        Another interesting thing is that you can stretch boom across any body of water anywhere near civilization and it will catch some oil over time. Comes from the highways. All those drips (most out of the tailpipes of poorly maintained automobiles, by the way) add up and when it rains they go into the watershed.

        Hydrocarbons pollute. Even without catastrophes, they pollute. No way around it.

        It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

        by Fishgrease on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:26:06 PM PDT

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        •  I need to add to this... (2+ / 0-)
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          When I say "tar sands oil is amongst the more benign hydrocarbon liquids moved by truck or pipeline" it's not saying it's very benign. Not saying much.

          There are some very nasty liquids moved by truck and pipeline in this country.

          Feedstock to some chemical plants, for instance.

          And some of the chemicals leaving those plants.

          It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

          by Fishgrease on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 04:40:23 AM PDT

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    •  Fishgrease, a question or 2 (3+ / 0-)
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      What are the properties of the spilled oil in water? Does it float or sink. How do you get it out of the wetlands around the cove?

      We all stand submissively before the global ATM machine network like trained chickens pecking the correct colored buttons to release our grains of corn. Joe Bageant

      by Zwoof on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:31:02 PM PDT

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      •  Most of this stuff, as spilled, floats. (7+ / 0-)

        Getting it out of wetlands (I'm not going to pretty this up) is impossible. Any wetlands affected need to be isolated and completely removed. They probably won't do that, but that's what needs to be done.

        Then craft some more wetlands. Environmental companies have seeds from plants native to every area. Good way to make money, matter of fact. You'll see people with tennis racquets out beating seeds into a bag. Just beating the shit out of various vegetation. A bag of local seed is high-dollar stuff for reclamation.

        Back to oil contamination of wetlands. I'm certain I raise some eyebrows when I say I'm not very concerned about spills on land. They're easy to clean up and by law, they have to be 100% cleanup. Not difficult.

        But water is an entirely different matter. Horrible. Terrible.

        There was a diesel spill in Utah a few days back where a beaver dam saved a downstream body of water from damage. My question is, why do we have to rely on beaver dams? There should be secondary containment ANYWHERE a pipeline can possibly drain into wetlands. It's cheap and the pipeline companies have no excuse not to put it in place BEFOREHAND.

        Anybody who says I'm on the side of the oil companies show that previous paragraph to some Oil company CEO. See what the bastard thinks about that.

        So in short the answer to your question is this:

        You can't adequately remove spilled oil from wetlands. You can pretend your doing that by the local news showing guys wading around in rubber boots throwing out absorbent pads and even wiping down individual leaves. It's all theater.

        Keep the goddam oil OUT of the wetlands. That's the only real answer.

        It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

        by Fishgrease on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:56:31 PM PDT

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