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  •  I think a lot of folks who would like to define (0+ / 0-)

    ... themselves as members of that constitutionally-intended well-regulated militia would need to get off their large rear ends and see if they can run 20 yards without getting winded.

    My guess is that most of the white, concealed carry and open carry crowd can't meet that high standard.

    Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

    by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:38:22 PM PDT

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    •  And some cops can't either. (0+ / 0-)

      So what?

      Your end of the Constitution is sinking.

      by happymisanthropy on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:11:29 PM PDT

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      •  Cops have a job and are paid to carry a weapon. (0+ / 0-)

        Not only that, but most police departments now have minimal physical fitness standards that have to be met. Cops are tested.

        I think folks who want a concealed carry or open carry permit should have to pass a physical fitness test.

        We want them to be in shape so they can be heroes!

        Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

        by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:21:53 PM PDT

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        •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

          Why can't a seventy year old woman in a wheelchair be a hero?

          Your end of the Constitution is sinking.

          by happymisanthropy on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:33:34 PM PDT

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          •  With rights come responsibilities. (0+ / 0-)

            Don't forget that if you can't pass a test, you can't get a driver's license.

            Same should be true for concealed carry and open carry.

            Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

            by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:35:37 PM PDT

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            •  I reject that notion. (0+ / 0-)
              With rights come responsibilities.
              No, responsibilities exist independently of rights.
              Don't forget that if you can't pass a test, you can't get a driver's license.
              And those tests are based on whether you can safely operate a motor vehicle, not whether you can run twenty yards without getting winded.
              Same should be true for concealed carry and open carry.
              I'm all in favor of safety standards for concealed weapons permits, but I've seen no reason to think that requiring physical fitness or even better-than-average marksmanship would significantly improve public safety.

              Don't tell me about "gunfail."  Poor marksmanship is not the problem in any of those situations.

              And imposing restrictions with no significant benefit seems like just an excuse to say "no."

              Your end of the Constitution is sinking.

              by happymisanthropy on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:54:04 PM PDT

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              •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

                I think physical fitness standards should be required for concealed carry and open carry permits. They can be adjusted by age, but they should be in place.

                We want conditioned shooters out there. It's safer for them and for others. It's a safety issue just like operating a motor vehicle.

                We should also have anger management tests for concealed and open carry permit applicants.

                Suggested liberal gun lovers' motto: "More liberal than the NRA on everything except guns."

                by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:56:57 PM PDT

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