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  •  And I've run out words for how sickening and (1+ / 0-)
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    infuriating is the notion that our children and teachers should be left unprotected.   This after multiple instances of violent nuts attacking our schools.

    The meme about "assault rifles" is deliberately deceitful.  Many common hunting weapons --e.g,  the pump shotgun -- are capable of carnage akin to Sandy Hook.   And even if you confiscated every gun out there , the schools would still be vulnerable to propane tank bombs, IEDs,etc.

    It is unacceptable that $1 Trillion per YEAR of our tax dollars are spent on "defense" while our school children are left unprotected.

    But, hey, Israel is still okay and that seems to be the primary concern of several billionaire donors.

    •  So your idea (3+ / 0-)

      is that every school should be immune to tank bomb and IED attacks, otherwise you're "sickened"?

      You must never have had a healthy day in your life.

    •  So, you're mad our schools aren't (0+ / 0-)

      being turned into war zones, and that the Pentagon has cooler toys than you do, and something about Israel.

      Not sure I caught all that.

    •  Aaah yes, the No True Scotstman (3+ / 0-)
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      is back - this time, law enforcement was incompetent! because in Rambo fantasy land, that would never happen!

    •  that went in a weird and unnecessary (2+ / 0-)
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      direction at the end, there.  

      "akin to" is pretty weaselly.  Someone can stop a shooter if he's reloading, and more time to hide.  

      Israel can tell you there's no absolute deterrent, especially if the means are security theater.  They enacted pretty stringent gun regulations after the Baruch Goldstein massacre and Rabin assassination.  Look at Ft. Hood - not enough guns around to stop Dr. Hassan?  

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:17:44 AM PDT

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    •  Allright, don't call them "assault rifles"-- (2+ / 0-)
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      "crowd-shredders" is more accurate anyway.

    •  "Assault weapon," the term used by... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...most people (including the elected politicians who want a ban) is a marketing invention of the gun manufacturers.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:28:15 AM PDT

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    •  Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel on and on . (0+ / 0-)

      And even more billionaire donors have a primary concern of turning America into our Christian nation (de Vos', Koch's, Coors etc.) Why does this have to be turned into something about Israel?

      How 'bout focusing on the trillion dollars (at the exact rate of $85 billion dollars per month into at least 2014) that Bernanke has promised those billionaires to buy back their underwater corrupt scam debts (mortgage derivatives) to make them whole (JP Morgan, Bank of America etc.). And, when was the last time we got to borrow money at zero to one quarter of one percent in addition to not having to pay any taxes? But don't forget Israel, right.

      Yeah, there certainly are a lot of ways to kill people.  But what about protecting neighborhoods (perhaps  personal private paid and armed gangs), movie theaters, shopping malls, traffic intersections etc. Let's do like some of those southern communities and require everyone  to carry weapons. How 'bout armed gangs protecting individuals who are in armed gangs, who protect armed gangs who protect armed gangs. That might resolve the gun problem. And let's not take our eye off the ball and mention Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel ..........huh?

      "I freed a thousand slaves, I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves" Harriet Tubman

      by BrianParker14 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:31:00 AM PDT

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    •  Not sure I like the sound of this: (0+ / 0-)
      But, hey, Israel is still okay and that seems to be the primary concern of several billionaire donors.
      Smells a bit like antisemitism to me, with Israel and "billionaire donors."  Maybe you'd like to clarify what the hell you're talking about.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 09:01:04 AM PDT

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      •  Who is the Mayor of New York for $1,000, Alex? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 11:14:30 AM PDT

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        •  Okay . . . (1+ / 0-)
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          So the answer is the (Jewish) Michael Bloomberg.  Yes, he's a billionaire, but unless I'm mistaken, he's demonstrated concern for a number of issues beyond Israel.  

          Still can't make a guess at who the other "billionaire donors" are.  Maybe George Soros?  Oh, wait . . .

          "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

          by FogCityJohn on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:38:13 PM PDT

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          •  Sheldon Adelson? (0+ / 0-)

            not sure of him ever caring about gun control one way or the other.  He's certainly put his money on the anti- side.  This is because there isn't a strong connection between Israel demagoguery (on either side) and the gun control debate.  So, yeah, there's every reason to be concerned about outsized individual spending in elections, but not because of the Israel issue, in theory (as in, the reason campaign finance reform is necessary is because otherwise our mideast policy will be skewed) or in practice.

            Indeed, for all the talk about the "Israel lobby," I suspect public policy is actually to the left of public opinion.  Jews themselves are more likely to support peace and recognition of Palestinians, but they're far out numbered by teavangelicals trying to bring about the rapture.  

            So, I can't imagine where the RKBA folks wonder why most democrats think they're fringe and don't fully trust their advice on how to win elections and protect "all" of the bill of rights.

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:57:54 PM PDT

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    •  Congrats on like 3 off-topic points in one post. (0+ / 0-)

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:12:00 AM PDT

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