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  •  So Can One of These AB Ex-Cons (4+ / 0-)

    Go to a Gun Show or do a private purchase and not have any check about their criminal records? I just want to be real sure, as it is such an important point.

    My avatar image is a photograph I took in 2008 of the headwaters of a waterfall in the imperiled Parque Nacional de Garajonay, a UNESCO World Heritage Site on La Gomera, birthplace of my grandfather, in the Canary Islands not far from the Sahara Desert.

    by Galtisalie on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:25:19 PM PDT

    •  Absolutely (8+ / 0-)

      Anyone can.

      But I think you're making an unwarranted assumption here: many of them can also go to a gun shop and buy a gun any time they want, too. Because several states will automatically give you back your right to bear arms after release from prison without any judicial review whatsoever.

      Indeed, in at least one state they can get concealed carry permits, if I read the laws right.

      •  thanks. that is just appalling. (2+ / 0-)
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        My avatar image is a photograph I took in 2008 of the headwaters of a waterfall in the imperiled Parque Nacional de Garajonay, a UNESCO World Heritage Site on La Gomera, birthplace of my grandfather, in the Canary Islands not far from the Sahara Desert.

        by Galtisalie on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:29:52 PM PDT

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      •  Compare that Voting Rights (10+ / 0-)

        Compare that with the absolute difficulty or impossibility of getting your voting rights restored after serving a prison term in many states.  

        Wikipedia- Felony Disenfranchisement in the U.S.

        If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.- THOMAS PAINE

        by Crazycab214 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:42:17 PM PDT

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        •  Which tells you all you need to know about (8+ / 0-)

          how the power elite rates the relative significance of guns versus votes in challenging their authority.

          If the RKBA'rs guns were actually protecting their political rights, the RKBA'rs guns would have been taken away a long time ago.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:57:13 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, let's be fair here (1+ / 0-)
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          I feel compelled to be fair here. (Not that they're ever fair to us, but whatever.)

          Assuming I recall correctly (and, although I am currently several drinks to the worse, I am pretty sure I still do), there are a LOT more states that automatically return voting rights to felons (with no review) than there are states that automatically return firearm rights to felons (with no review). I mean an order of magnitude more. Like, there are only three or four states that automatically restore gun rights when asked, and around 40 states that restore to felons the right to vote.

          Sure, we can still complain about this, don't get me wrong, because everyone should have their right to vote restored once they've served their time, but let's try not to, you know, make an ass out of you and me kind of thing. You know.

          Maybe I should have drank that more slowly. Man. It usually takes a lot more alcohol than this to make me incoherent.

          •  We're Probably on the Same Page (0+ / 0-)

            I think we're probably on the same page overall.  

            I didn't say every state does this, but, IMHO the fact that even one state makes it harder to restore voting rights to than to get a gun permit is terrible.  Without wading into any RKBA fights one way or the other, that's all I was trying to point out.

            I happen to think that its voting rights that should be automatically restored, and gun rights that should have some serious review depending on the crime the person was convicted of.

            Also, it might not be quite as cut and dry as you think regarding restoration of gun rights: NY Times- Felons Finding It Easy to Restore Gun Rights.

            If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.- THOMAS PAINE

            by Crazycab214 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:45:39 PM PDT

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      •  which is why we need a national FOID card (0+ / 0-)

        like Illinois has for it's citizens.  Standardize rules and regulations nationwide.

      •  Citations, please? (0+ / 0-)

        NICS is a Federal system.  Once you're in there as a prohibited person, there's no way out, as they haven't funded the restoration procedure since '92, IIRC.

        And what state gives felons CCP's?

        Your hate-mail will be graded.

        by PavePusher on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:24:55 PM PDT

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