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  •  You need to take a serious look at your definition (3+ / 0-)
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    Robobagpiper, Canis Aureus, FrankRose

    of winning.  With the possible exception of CO, the states you routinely mention are already in your camp, having some of the most onerous and draconian gun laws in the nation.  Passing stronger laws in those regions is not a sign that your winning the hearts and minds of people nation wide.  Most pro-2A groups have written off these states along time ago and commonly refer to them as the Peoples Republics.

    CO is a bit of an anomaly, largely regarded as happening because of migration from CA into the cities of Denver and Boulder.  The legislative actions in that state have also created a real rift along the urban/rural divide that is going to present a challenge.

    Furthermore, before  you start calling victory even in places like NY, you might want to watch how the courts spin.  We've got a little over two weeks before the courts in NY strike down the safe act unless it can be proven to pass constitutional muster.

    Also consider IL, which by summer is likely going to go shall issue with very generous concealed carry laws.  Yes, (sarcasm) "the NRA was defeated" (/sarcasm) in Crook Cook county which has a slipping strangle hold on the rest of the state that has vastly different views.

    •  noway2, the simple fact that we are even having (1+ / 0-)
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      Bob Friend

      this discussion is reason enough to celebrate victory.

      When we look back 10-20 years from now this period will be remembered as the beginning of the end of the NRA's hold on this issue.

      Please keep responding to these posts - that's the point, keep the discussion going.

      •  By all means, I want the conversation going (1+ / 0-)
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        FrankRose

        My state is finally looking like it will adopt:
        1) constitutional carry
        2) eliminate prohibitions on carry in schools
        3) establish a parking lot rule
        4) allow people with permits to carry in schools
        5) removal of several other Jim Crow era prohibitions

        Had this conversation not been in the spotlight, it likely wouldn't be at the forefront of the political agenda.

        It would be better if these things were being pushed by someone other than the far right.  Unfortunately, I don't think that the D's will fully realize the importance of upholding all rights enshrined by the Constitution until they take a black eye over this issue, though, that is certainly coming.

        •  Great, so the country can have two visions (0+ / 0-)

          of America to choose from - yours and Connecticut's.

          Works for me.

        •  ... and noway, about our previous discussion (0+ / 0-)

          about forcing people to your will (what happened, you never responded?) - here's another example of how your side of the debate tries force its will on people in the crudest of fashions:

          The vast majority of people who came to testify on bills were respectful and considerate, yet there were some who were disrespectful and engaged in loud outbursts. These folks had to be gaveled down and threatened with removal. In the wee hours on the final gun bill in the Senate State Affairs Committee, the audience was downright unruly, so much so that it was only prudent to seek an escort to our vehicles late at night afterward.
          Most disturbing of all was the knowledge that many female legislators, or the daughters of male legislators, received e-mails threatening them with sexual assault by males as a result of the positions they have taken on these bills.
          We have a long way to go before intimidation of females is no longer a tool used by some males to get their way. We may think that the use of sexual assault, or threats of sexual assault, as a way to control women or their male loved ones is something that happens in Third World countries or in times of war, but we have read the e-mails and the threats, and we now know it is alive and well in Colorado. One legislator was told she didn't care about rape victims because she was not attractive enough to be raped, or "serviced."
          http://www.denverpost.com/...

          It's that vision for America v. Connecticut's vision for America.

          Good luck with that.

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