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  •  The proposed penalty provisions are so onerous (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder how many undocumented immigrants will actually ever see legal status.

    I fully agree there should be some penalties.  And, I suppose to an immigrant who has waited for years for the opportunity, a 5 or even 10 year wait for full citizenship is better than nothing, especially is legally allowed to work during that period.

    But, I still wonder if the hoops they will have jump through are too daunting.

    My other question is.. why hasn't anyone mentioned the very large number of visa over-stays?  Will these people be included in the process?  With the same penalties?

    •  Which specific proposed penalties (0+ / 0-)

      Do you consider too onerous?  

    •  Visa overstays (0+ / 0-)

      would certainly be included.  Many undocumented persons got here with valid visas, and not by crossing the border on foot through the desert.  Remember also that many undocumented persons are Polish or Irish... they don't fit our conception of undocumented as Mexican or Central American. There are hundreds of thousands of people from Ireland, Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa etc. who are visa overstays.  They tend to get caught less frequently since enforcement so heavily emphasizes Latino immigrants (and to a lesser extent, Chinese).  

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:09:01 PM PDT

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    •  I also hope the fines aren't excessive (0+ / 0-)

      but you know, many undocumented immigrants have extensive social networks and are able to either depend upon extended families or savings and other resources.  There are hometown associations where people pool resources for investing in their communities or helping members in trouble.  Immigrants, by and large, are pretty resourceful. Most will be able to come up with the fine even if it is thousands of dollars.  People sacrifice $4,000 in smuggling costs all the time - coming up with an equivalent amount in fees, especially if they can pay over time - might not be so horrible in exchange for permanent residence.

      I think there need to be waivers for persons with disabilities, undocumented persons who are fleeing persecution and are otherwise ineligible for asylum or T visas etc.  An undocumented economic migrant who is able to work is likely able to pay a fairly stiff penalty.  I favor lower fees, but if they are higher... and this is what's required to get CIR passed, then so be it.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 01:14:38 PM PDT

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