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  •  POLLING is Mostly Irrelevant (3+ / 0-)
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    Please tell me just ten democratic senators who have come out strongly, publicly for stricter gun control legislation such as national, universal background check and making large capacity magazines illegal.

    The diarist appears to have a habit of ignoring precedent. one of the big ones being the millions of us who protested the invasion/occupation of Iraq-- totally to NO avail. the warmongers/war-profiteers had their way.

    the majority of "democrats" in congress will not go against the NRA and the gunner mob.

    Severely in denial types in progressive Bloggo world continue to cite polling "showing what Americans really, really want".. all while totally ignoring the reality of our so called congress:

    They are not going to act on major issues like our massive, absurd gun problem.

    Prior to last fall's election, it took congress SIXTEEN months just to pass transportation legislation.

    Hellooooooooooooo????

    "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

    by Superpole on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 04:49:16 PM PDT

    •  Utterly wrong... (15+ / 0-)

      ...The majority of Democrats, though not the majority of Congress, favors an assault weapons ban. A much larger majority of Democrats favors background checks. Will either get passed? Certainly the assault weapons ban won't. The background check proposal is still a question mark.

      Ten Democratic senators who have spoken out strongly for UBC and or AWB:

      Chuck Schumer AWB, UBC
      Kirsten Gillibrand AWB, UBC
      Barbara Boxer AWB, UBC
      Dianne Feinstein AWB, UBC
      Patty Murray AWB, UBC
      Maria Cantwell AWB, UBC
      Jeff Merkley UBC
      Ron Wyden AWB, UBC
      Mark Udall AWB, UBC
      Michael Bennet AWB, UBC

      As for being in denial, change requires relentlessness. The reason we protest is because it takes a lot of effort to make things happen. Too many people give up because pushing for change is hard work, often requires risks to career and friendships.

      But, helloooooooo, this is not some new phenomenon as the abolitionists, suffragists, unionists, feminists, gay rights activists, environmental advocates and other reformers have discovered in various eras since the nation's founding. But you would, apparently, argue that the Quakers who went into Congress in 1790 demanding abolition of slavery should not even have tried because there were too many slave owners there. Took another 75 years to dump slavery and, throughout much of that time, the MAJORITY of the American people supported slavery. Right now, the majority supports stricter gun regulations.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:26:24 PM PDT

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      •  Yes! It's the long slog (2+ / 0-)
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        with slog being the operative word.  We are going to have to plod steadily through the muck for a long time, keeping up the pace to change the culture around gun ownership and some of the meanings associated with guns before we can change the policies and the laws about how the nation handles these "tools" that have a high potential for creating harm.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:15:39 PM PDT

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      •  Just vote on it (1+ / 0-)
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        Vote on it and lose. Then get rid of all the assholes who won't stand up regardless of party. Vote them out of office or let their stand on assault weapons bring them down as a consequence of the violence they have brought down on us all.

        I realize that I'm starting to have sympathy for the prison gangs who are just cutting to the chase and separating the wheat from the chaff, but inaction is a form of action and the inaction of Congress is a clear and present danger to the whole planet.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 03:27:31 AM PDT

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        •  I've Been Stating the Same (0+ / 0-)

          since I've been posting here.. I believe that was 2005.

          As long as congress continues to do the will of the 1 percent-- we're going nowhere with progressive legislation.

          "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

          by Superpole on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 03:37:43 PM PDT

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      •  Links, Please (0+ / 0-)

        Maybe I'm watching the wrong talking bobblehead shows, or reading the wrong progressive publications.

        The only senator on your list I've seen publicly speaking in favor of stricter gun legislation is Feinstein.

        I note who's missing from your list: Senator Reid. I'm guessing that's because not long ago he informed Senator Feinstein he doesn't have the votes to support her legislative effort.

        Again, that is the pathetic reality of the situation. To continue to cite polling showing what the people actually want is to be in denial of that reality.

        Congress does not support US. you might want to look at Mr. Lessig's recent work.

        "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

        by Superpole on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 03:36:01 PM PDT

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