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  •  A full 36% are 1 or 2 in the poll so far.... (1+ / 0-)
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    marsanges

    Hmmm...

    No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

    by Magster on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 04:12:02 PM PDT

    •  they're only shot is to smuggle it here (0+ / 0-)

      in a shipping container.  A really big one, since they don't have miniaturization perfected yet.  There wasn't a zero to rate a thermonuclear delivery, though.

      I made it a 1 because they're best bet is to make a dirty bomb, just send over a lot of radioactive material and scatter it over a city.  That would be terrible, but they don't have the range or guidance to really be credible with a continental dirty bomb delivery either.

      In retrospect, their leader is, in fact nuts...  What if he detonates one on his own soil and blames us?  Maybe a 4 if a self-inflicted detonation is on the table...

    •  i voted 2 (1+ / 0-)
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      mookins

      because I believe people to be ultimately rational even though the scales of this rationality can appear quite contorted sometimes to people with other value assessments.

      so since I cannot fathom what north korea would have to gain from a real shooting war - even trying to see from their side -, I think it is bluster (even though of a quite unacceptable sort). Of course, if they indeed use this as bluster to extort, and are rational, then they´ll expect that it is seen as bluster, so they will have a need to prove it´s not, so ... well ... that seems like a logical trap.

      •  Why did they start the Korean war in 1950? (2+ / 0-)
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        marsanges, mookins

        These people are throughly wacked and in the Mother of All Echo Chambers

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 04:56:32 PM PDT

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        •  1950 was a different world (2+ / 0-)

          and they simply don't have the tech, much less the food or education to do what they claim to begin with.  

          Half the country is starving to death.  They have no concept of what the rest of the world is militarily capable of beyond the posturing of the DMV as a people - KJU is educated in the west - but he has to keep power by keeping the generals focused on something other than his youth and inexperience.  They can't afford to take on anyone - or piss of China - which is what would happen if they actually did anything other than shoot across the DMV periodically - the crazy and misery is largely contained and China prefers it that way.

          Their rocket technology is a joke. Their access to nuke materials is also a joke because China would flatten their asses - they can't have that shit on their borders in the hands of a possible madman struggling to hold onto power.

          They just want food and heating oil and to feel better about their lack of place in the world - and KJU wants to stay in power.  Rattle, rattle, rattle.

          And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

          by Mortifyd on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:20:55 PM PDT

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          •  I wouldn't say that, conventional artillery may (1+ / 0-)
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            be primitive (and fully ballistic) but credible estimates place their number at between 4,000 and 10,000 pieces.  Assuming a firing rate of 1 shell per minute that means 40k shells raining down on Seoul after only 10 minutes and I doubt we can destroy them in less than 10 minutes (and it probably wouldn't do much if any good as I doubt they have more than 50k shells in usable condition anyway).

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:38:32 PM PDT

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            •  I would think they'd have counter measures by now (2+ / 0-)
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              mookins, Mortifyd

              The south Koreans---no slouches in warfare themselves-- have been getting ready for this for a long time. That threat has been known for a long long time.
              I bet there's counter measures to that in place already

              Happy just to be alive

              by exlrrp on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:08:25 PM PDT

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              •  You are aware the shells are ballistic, right? So (3+ / 0-)
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                mookins, wilderness voice, entrelac

                even if you manage to shoot them and disable the explosive charge they are still going to do a decent amount of damage just from pure kinetic energy.  It's not like a cruise missile where you can blow it up somewhere safe.  Think of trying to defend against cannonballs from old style black powder cannon and you have the right idea only at longer range.  Besides, there is no defensive system that can handle 4,000 incoming projectiles at once.

                You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

                by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:15:47 PM PDT

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            •  I don't think they're prepared to do that (0+ / 0-)

              because they don't have the food or resources to back it up and cut their ties to China.  Yeah, they could fuck Seoul up - but the fallout of facing China, South Korea and the US - they simply aren't capable of doing it - and they know it.

              And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

              by Mortifyd on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:57:24 PM PDT

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          •  NK still lives in the '50s (1+ / 0-)
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            Happy just to be alive

            by exlrrp on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:09:40 PM PDT

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