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  •  Maybe the old NNadir. (9+ / 0-)

    The new NNadir has recognized that humanity is too stupid to survive, and thus that pointing out the things that were obvious even before Hansen stated them is a waste of time.

    I note that other people, including the Nobel Laureate Burton Richter, smacking down the dumbfuck "renewables will save us" anti-nuke Mark Z. Jacobsen who keeps telling us that even though the 100's of billions of dollars, euros, pesos yen and yuan thrown down the renewable rabbit hole have failed to make this toxic renewable junk a significant form of energy, we just have to keep the faith and everything will be OK.

    Energy Environ. Sci., 2012,5, 8758-8759

    Once again faith has failed, just as it did during the outbreak of the bubonic plague.

    The old NNadir might have written a diary like this one, but not the new, since I've come to understand that the left - with which I've identified - never wants to be out done by the right when it comes to scientific ignorance.

    The new NNadir has been watching the rapid increase in carbon dioxide concentrations since fear, ignorance, selective attention, caused two major nations to shut their largest source of climate change gas free energy, with the result that unprecedented rates of increase are now observed.

    I actually have nothing to say about any of this - certainly nothing like schadenfreud since the people I love will suffer all as much as the stupid people who assured this outcome - other than "Congratulations anti-nukes!!!   Heckuva job!!!!  You must be very, very, very, very, very, very, very proud."

    Jim Hansen's an old man.   I know he cares about his family and their future but it's over.    He can no more save his grandchildren than he could wish away a hurricane.    The time that nuclear energy might have saved something passed at least a decade ago, maybe even longer.

    Thanks though, for the memories.

    •  Sadly, I see little hope. (4+ / 0-)

      We lack even the philosophical tools to confront the challenges coming.

      But perhaps a miracle will occur.

      Good to see you.

      don't always believe what you think

      by claude on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:14:09 PM PDT

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    •  good to see you here.. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      your clever and thoughtful writing always needs to be considered even when it makes my brain hurt.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:32:28 AM PDT

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    •  To save a few electrons here and there (0+ / 0-)

      maybe you can shorten "new NNadir" to NNNadir?

    •  Germany now is producing almost a quarter (0+ / 0-)

      of electricity requirements from Renewables

      they could easily get to 50%, within 2 years, and they
      could easily get to 85%.

      The real issue is grid management with millions of micro producers with variable output.

      it seems like an exercise in statistical mechanics

      •  Poland would like to thank you for believing... (0+ / 0-)

        this line of incredibly oblivious horseshit.

        Poland boosts electricity exports to Germany.

        Poland, by the way, has the distinction of having the worst polluting coal plant in Europe, at the aptly named city of Belchatow.   Of the 5 worst polluting generating plants in the world, Belchatow is number 4.

        To produce electricity, the German assholes, under the pretense that the Rhine river is going to be struck by a tsunami, dumps more dangerous fossil fuel waste than ever for electricity generation into it's favorite dump, the atmosphere.

        They shut their largest single source of climate change gas free energy, which in 2000 produced 161.121 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity before fear and ignorance was allowed to run wild by people who continuously produce the same useless platitudes over and over and over and over and over and over, usually accompanied by mindless soothsaying.

        In 2011, the German assholes produced 45.1 billion kilowatt hours from their unsustainable wind whirlygigs, despite wasting hundreds of billions of euros to do so, producing the second highest residential electricity prices in Europe, after Denmark.   As average continuous power, this works out to about 5144 MWe, the equivalent of 5 small gas plants

        All of Germany's wind facilities need to be backed up by spinning reserve from gas plants, because of their lack of reliability, which means that they produce less climate change gas free energy than the replacement of 5 gas plants would involve.  

        But Germany has zero interest in shutting gas plants, as evidenced by the fact that their former Chancellor is an employee of Gazprom now, pulling down 600,000 Euros per year.

        In 2011 their toxic solar program produced 19 billion kwh of electricity.  

        Combined, it follows, that this pile of expensive toxic and unsustainable garbage - there are not enough lanthanide mines in China to keep up this ridiculous slow pace - have never produced as much electricity as nuclear energy provided to Germany, nuclear energy which, unlike the Polish coal plants now so happy to ship electricity to Germany, never killed anyone.

        Do let me know when 19 + 45 = 161, will you?

        The data in this post comes from the EIA website, which is never accessed by people who die sich nur mehr belügen wollen - who only want to lie to themselves.

        The EIA spreadsheets can easily be downloaded by anyone not to lazy to look.

        But you can't kid me.   I know very, very, very, very, very, very, very well why the atmosphere is collapsing at a record pace:   Fear and ignorance.

        One of the reasons that anti-nuke "renewables will save us" clowns talk in "percent talk" is to obfuscate.  

        Their neighboring country successfully phased out almost all of the dangerous fossil fuels it used to produce electricity almost two decades ago, completing the task in about 15 years time.

        Germany has no intention to phase out dangerous fossil fuels, and intends to dump its energy wastes - not even counting the radioactive lanthanide mine tailings it left in China to produce its wind garbage - directly into the planetary atmosphere.

        After Germany shut its nuclear plants, along with China, the signature was directly visible in the planetary atmosphere, with 2012 being the second worst year ever recorded at Mauna Loa, and 2013 on track to easily exceed 1998, when the dumb anti-nuke Joe Romm was running the US climate office.

        Heckuva job anti-nukes.   You must be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very proud.

          •  I just know what I read in scientific papers. (0+ / 0-)

            I know...I know...

            Trade trumps science every time.   It's the reason why a country can actually make its energy policies more disastrous - as Germany did - and still get wild eyed cheering.

            The hatred and disregard for science in modern culture is a big part of the reason that there is no hope whatsoever where environmental issues are concerned.

            Have a nice evening.

            •  The trades have the current news (0+ / 0-)

              it takes a year or two to get anything published in a journal, and most of the journal papers are some minor facet, the broad sweep is in the trades.

              You were referring to what went on in 2011, which is so old news, the interesting story is what went on in 2012.


              Renewables have passed hard coal and nuclear in germany, and is about 18 months away from passing soft coals.

              I don't know why that bothers you so much.

              •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

                I've been at this for years.

                For more than 2 decades I've been hearing that what I report is "old news."

                The problem is that when the bullshit filters into the analytical literature, what happens is that the bullshit is found to be exactly that, bullshit.

                The "trades" are simply very sloppy pieces of unreviewed crap put out by journalists.

                "Passing nuclear" is pretty easy in that coal, oil and gas hellhole in Germany since they shut their nuclear plants in a paroxysm of fear and ignorance.

                I pointed out that they reduced their overall climate change gas free energy capacity.

                If I become richer than Warren Buffet, because Warren Buffet loses all his money, I cannot claim that I am suddenly wealthy.

                Finally, wind and solar will never have external costs as low as nuclear, as is evidenced in just about every "life cycle analysis" paper one reads.

                If one reads about their externalities, they are not particularly clean, a point that is overlooked precisely because after 50 years of cheering and sucking up ridiculous amounts of money on a planet where two billion people have never seen or operated a toilet bowl, they remain trivial forms of energy.   Between them they do not provide even 2 exajoules of the 520 exajoules of energy that humanity now consumes.

                I note that the Germans have used what I called the "California solution" for pretending to have abandoned coal, which is to import coal fired power from Eastern Europe.

                And of course, there's the issue of dangerous natural gas, which - and this applies in Germany's case - is an approach to climate change that is announcing that one is no longer an alcoholic because one has now switched from scotch to wine and beer.   Wine and beer destroy one's liver, and gas destroys one's atmosphere - and in the case of fracked gas - water as well.

                For one example:  Assessment of Effluent Contaminants from Three Facilities Discharging Marcellus Shale Wastewater to Surface Waters in Pennsylvania

                It bothers me because I read science journals.  I favor the phase out of all dangerous fossil fuels, and so called "renewable" energy which is no such thing is not a way of phasing out these disasters, but is rather a way to entrench them.

                The solar and wind industries would collapse in a New York minute without access to gas, and as such are not sustainable and never will be sustainable.  

                Germany, in particular, disgusts me, particularly as I closely watch the planetary atmosphere die, and it is dying, at a rapidly accelerating pace.

                I am sick to death from the rote and mindless praise of the huge environmental disaster that the horrid exercise in fear and ignorance that that country's energy policies represent.

                To me it's rather the equivalent, although probably at a much greater human impact, of the announcement that increased devotion to prayer was the ultimate solution to bubonic plague.

                I wrote 399 diaries in this space on energy and the environment in this awful space explaining why and how I came to feel this way, and I note that the evidence can be traced in them how I changed my mind on solar and wind, and came to the conclusion that they were in themselves, disasters.

                This month, by the way, a paper was published suggesting that the entire solar energy industry was been a net consumer rather than a producer of electricity up until as late as 2010.

                Energy Balance of the Global Photovoltaic (PV) Industry - Is the PV Industry a Net Electricity Producer?

                This is not a question that the "trades" are equipped to address, since the "trades" are not particularly scientifically literate, relying in general, on reporters who have no scientific training whatsoever.

                Have a nice day today.

                •  if PV were so bad (0+ / 0-)

                  they would cost a lot more.

                  that the prices are dropping so fast for both PV and Wind, indicates things are changing.

                  as for these studies that Life-cycle this or that, i'm
                  much more interested in the price points.

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