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  •  The backlash is organizing in Colo (2+ / 0-)
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    The opposition to the recently passed legislation wants to put this on the ballot.  I shudder to think how much money would go into a campaign to over ride the laws recently passed by the legislature.

    •  I have no doubt that they will try to put the MD (4+ / 0-)

      law on the ballot in 2014. And its not hard to get the needed signatures, so there's a good chance they would be successful in it, which would mean that the law couldn't be implemented until after November 2014. There would be enough votes in Montgomery County, Prince George's County, and Baltimore City to keep the law on the books, IMO.

    •  How can people in Colorado be so thick after both (5+ / 0-)

      Columbine and Aurora?  It boggles the mind, the paranoia of so many gun owners proves they should not own guns.  There is just too much mental illness in this country for guns to be so freely available.

      •  When you have a high-quality delusion (3+ / 0-)

        you can explain EVERYTHING.

        Or rationalize it, as the case may be.

      •  We can stop blaming (5+ / 0-)

        people with mental illness any time now. I think with all the research out there, it's very plain to see that people with mental illness are NOT causing the problems we have with guns.
        Just to cite one study I've read recently, people with mental illness are responsible for less than 10% of the violent crimes committed in this country.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:00:08 AM PDT

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        •  Mental Illness has a range, if you are speaking of (0+ / 0-)

          bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, you are correct but what about people with depression, they may not be dangerous to anyone else but they are dangerous to themselves, people that live in such fear that with a gun they might shoot anything that moves, people with anger issues or control issues.  Many people do not become criminals until they just make a mistake and a gun is handy.  Things that would be crimes in the rational world, we ignore because of our gun culture.  The killer in the Trayvon Martin case was not a criminal until the FL law and a gun ruined both his life and that of Trayvon Martin.

          •  Not just two lives taken, but also the lives (1+ / 0-)
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            of all their family members, and their communities, all the tax payers who must pay for LEOs and the courts.

            The killer in the Trayvon Martin case was not a criminal until the FL law and a gun ruined both his life and that of Trayvon Martin.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:06:30 AM PDT

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          •  Words mean things (2+ / 0-)
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            People are diagnosed with mental illness every day, just like other diseases, they have symptoms and treatments and outcomes.
            For example, someone who may be depressed is not the same as someone who is diagnosed with clinical depression or post partum depression.
            Similarly, someone who is afraid all the time might need counseling but doesn't neccessarily have a mental illness. They just might watch too much Fox News.
            As for the murderer of Trayvon Martin, what we see there is someone emboldened by having a gun on him. He feels bold, but acts stupidly (h/t David Waldman):

            This gets gun owners in trouble ALL the time, but it isn't mental illness.

            “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

            by skohayes on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:45:59 AM PDT

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            •  You don't think this amount of rage represents (0+ / 0-)

              a clear need for counseling,  therapy or possibly medication, you have to be kidding, right.

              •  I would bet he (0+ / 0-)

                does need counseling, but he's not mentally ill.
                I'm sure he'll get it after he was arrested for this incident.

                “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

                by skohayes on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:40:44 AM PDT

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