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  •  Always have mixed feelings on that. (2+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, skohayes

    If the south wants every nut to have guns in their states, I guess they get what they deserve.

    (And, yes: I know about interstate trafficking, which is why my feelings are mixed.)

    But I get really annoyed when they tell civilized parts of the country what their laws should be.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:45:29 AM PDT

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    •  Many illegal guns, especially in the north east (7+ / 0-)

      come from my state, Maine. I'll bet  you didn't know that. That problem is so severe that the Mayor of Boston once erected a billboard that read something like "Maine, please change your gun laws. Your guns are killing our kids".

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:54:52 AM PDT

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      •  No, I didn't know that. (5+ / 0-)

        I live in the Midwest, and many of our illegal guns are traced to the South.

        "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

        by Bush Bites on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:02:02 AM PDT

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        •  In Maryland (3+ / 0-)
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          a lot of them come from Virginia, where there are basically zero restrictions on buying guns.

        •  here's the data set (4+ / 0-)

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:33:47 AM PDT

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          •  Proving the need for comprehensive (0+ / 0-)

            federal trafficking legislation and enforcement.

            It is not like the manufacturers and
            dealers are unknown to everyone.
            These are the sources, and I am sure
            they realize that the focus will soon be
            directly on their 'business' models and practices.

            How difficult would it be to reverse the firearms
            industries immunity from torts and prosecutions?
            Or perhaps some states could make the manufacturers
            carry mandatory liability insurance for every individual sale?

            I wonder if the Dkos RKBA would be welcome at netroots?
            Allowed to have a booth? That could make for some
            interesting and provocative discussions. Doesn't our
            true opposition usually schedule a shadow
            boxing match around the same time and vicinity?

            What if they put on a gun show and the fail hit the fan?

            What part of "well regulated" is so hard to grasp?

            My Unicornitopian aspect hopes for some
            dark matter energy field personal defense
            that renders the entire debate moot, and soon.

            Until then, some modest legislation will have to do.
            I could tolerate a tiered license structure for the various
            capacity grades and such. The veterans speaking out
            in favor of background checks should also support
            mandatory proficiency testing and safety training also.

            Might be a good jobs program for recently returned veterans.
            If anyone has earned the right to screen fellow citizens
            for a potential risk of harming the rest of us, it is them.

            I haven't yet decided whether to view the fact that the criminal
            and conspiratorial minded would not cooperate in such areas
            as a positive, or negative, on the whole. Self selection
            might work to our species favor in more than one way.

            Your work here on this and other
            issues has been a true inspiration
            in its compassionate and reasoned humanity,
            considering your proximity to recent events.

            Thank you for all of your many efforts.

      •  Virginia is also really bad (5+ / 0-)

        for gun trafficking.
        Here's a report of gun laws by state. It turns out (not surprisingly), that 8 of the 10 states with the most gun violence also have the weakest laws:
        A 50-State Analysis of Gun Violence and Its Link to Weak State Gun Laws

        Despite this complex web of factors that influence the rate of gun violence, this report finds a clear link between high levels of gun violence and weak state gun laws. Across the key indicators of gun violence that we analyzed, the 10 states with the weakest gun laws collectively have an aggregate level of gun violence that is more than twice as high—104 percent higher, in fact—than the 10 states with the strongest gun laws.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:20:28 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah (4+ / 0-)

        and most guns seized in crimes in MA come from New Hampshire, the "here, have a gun" state.

        Then again, Mike Barnicle once called New Hampshire "Arkansas with snow," so there you go :)

        "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

        by ChurchofBruce on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:44:39 AM PDT

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        •  Last week the NH House voted to repeal (1+ / 0-)
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          [New Hampshire] House votes to repeal stand-your-ground law

          [March 27] BREAKING: The New Hampshire House of Representatives votes to repeal stand-your-ground law, which critics call 'kill-at-will' and has been offered as a defense in the killing of Trayvon Martin in early 2012.

          The bill would repeal part of New Hampshire's stand-your-ground law that Republicans pushed through two years ago -- over a governor's veto and objections by law enforcement professionals. Current law allows people to use deadly force to defend themselves any place they have a right to be without having a duty to retreat.

          The bill returns the law to one based on the Castle Doctrine, which says a person does not have to retreat from intruders at home before using deadly force, but must consider it in public. The law passed in 2011 expanded that principle to public places.

          The House voted 189-184 Wednesday to send the bill revising the law to the Senate.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:47:27 AM PDT

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    •  If we had thought that way about other (3+ / 0-)
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      matters of life and liberty... where would we be on

      jim crow?
      childhood education?

      While I think the relative utility/relative risk of injury and death varies widely across the country, and favor local regulations that take that into consideration, I no longer think we can simply leave the children, the elderly, the infirm, the women, the poor to their fates of having been born to or married to someone residing in a certain state.

      Consider the difference it will make that we have finally included Native American women and children in VAWA. Our prior policy of leaving each individual group to fight sex crimes on their own against a perp with extensive resources, now just seems absurd.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:33:59 AM PDT

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