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View Diary: GA-Sen: Could Michelle Nunn (D) Be Our Alternative To John Barrow (D)? (40 comments)

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  •  No. Just no. (2+ / 0-)
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    it's no secret here that she has political ambitions and maybe she's had her eye on this race for a long time but a "getting to know you" campaign against a certain winner like Chambliss (which is probably what she had in mind) is one thing and a winnable race against clown like  Broun or a Gingrey is another.  Barrow could win this race.  She can't.  Ironically Barrow would probably be very much like Nunn Sr. as a Senator -- but that's what's was electable here once and could be again.  A candidate in any way comparable to Elizabeth Warren (and I don't really see it myself) will scare the reasonable Rethugs more than a Broun or Gingrey.  She needs to wait for Isakson or run against Deal.  One day we will take Georgia back, but not yet.

    •  Also -- anything from WSB TV should be taken (1+ / 0-)
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      with a grain of salt -- WSB radio is  home of Rush, Hermain Cain, et al and they would love to see a Michelle Nunn candidacy

    •  Do you have any evidence? (0+ / 0-)

      That at all supports your assertion that Nunn cannot win the election?
      You don't? Well then basically your just spewing bullshit.

      We only think nothing goes without saying.

      by Hamtree on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 03:28:25 PM PDT

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      •  Not at all (2+ / 0-)
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        And just because I'm curious what evidence do you have that she can?  Do you have any experience of Georgia, or any "red" state politically?

        •  What evidence do I have? (0+ / 0-)

          You are the one making an assertion not me it is up to you to prove your assertion. Furthermore the very diary you are commenting on gives you 3 reasons why she can be a good candidate. They are.
          1) Connections to money, and political leaders
          2) No political track record to attack.
          3) A popular local family name.

          Try thinking before posting. thx.

          We only think nothing goes without saying.

          by Hamtree on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:29:11 PM PDT

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    •  Actually (1+ / 0-)
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      Not comparing Nunn to Barrow, but just using hypothetical people, I'd think someone like Elizabeth Warren, who would be willing to make a populist case against the banks and against the corrupt good-ole-boy system in the state of Georgia, could be VERY attractive to Georgians.  Now, maybe Barrow can make that case as well.  But I don't see how being blue dog helps a Democrat in Georgia.  It's like Obama as President.  Obama is about as liberal as Richard Nixon, yet people here in Georgia treat him as a socialist antichrist come to take your guns and raise everyone's taxes.  

      If you're going to be treated as if you're a far left socialist, what's the harm in actually putting forward liberal proposals (that, by the way, poll well nationwide, including in Georgia)?

      •  Obama lost Georgia, right? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't understand your reasoning. Are you being a defeatist, believing that no Democrat has a chance to win, so Democratic candidates in Georgia might as well pretend they're campaigning in Vermont?

        Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

        by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:37:33 AM PDT

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        •  Let's try an illustration (1+ / 0-)
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          Pretend that there is a such thing as a left right political spectrum:

          L----------C------------R

          Now, pretend that you are a Democrat running for office in Georgia.  You are facing a Republican, who by virtue of this being Georgia, is somewhere around here on the spectrum:

          L----------C-----------X-R

          You have two choices.  You can run here on the spectrum:

          L---------X-C----------R  (for sake of argument, let's agree this is where moderate Democrats are like Obama)

          Or you can run here on the spectrum:

          L--X------C----------R  (for sake of argument, let's call this the Bernie Sanders, a Socialist, position).

          Now, as a Democrat running for office, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR ACTUAL positions are, you are going to be treated as a wacko lunatic socialist.  Hence, there is no extra cost to taking the Bernie Sanders positions.  But there is potential benefit!  As it turns out, increasing social security benefits is more popular than decreasing them.  Breaking up big banks is more popular than putting them in charge of the country.  Raising the minimum wage is popular . Universal gun background checks are popular.  

          So you can take luke warm Blue Dog positions, to look like a Republican (see what Truman has to say about that), STILL BE CALLED A SOCIALIST, and have your positions not resonate because you're trying to be "serious," OR you can take the popular liberal positions.  Which can win in Georgia.  LBJ got gigantic crowds in Georgia preaching as liberal a message as you'll hear any Democrat say today.  MLK's message was popular in Georgia.  That didn't go away, just because the Republican party hijacked the state.

          And to answer your question, no, I am not a defeatist .

          •  LBJ and MLK are ancient history (0+ / 0-)

            in political terms, and MLK certainly never could have won a state-wide election in Georgia, anyway.

            Your argument is not politically accurate at all. Name one Democrat running as a liberal/progressive who's won an open US Senate seat in a state with an R+ PVI since the 1990s.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:46:59 PM PDT

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          •  Make an analogy (0+ / 0-)

            Where was Scott Brown on that continuum? Would he have had any chance of winning if he actually had run as a hard-right Republican? Nope, not a 1% chance, even against Coakley.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:48:38 PM PDT

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