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  •  Obama lost Georgia, right? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't understand your reasoning. Are you being a defeatist, believing that no Democrat has a chance to win, so Democratic candidates in Georgia might as well pretend they're campaigning in Vermont?

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    by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:37:33 AM PDT

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    •  Let's try an illustration (1+ / 0-)
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      Pretend that there is a such thing as a left right political spectrum:

      L----------C------------R

      Now, pretend that you are a Democrat running for office in Georgia.  You are facing a Republican, who by virtue of this being Georgia, is somewhere around here on the spectrum:

      L----------C-----------X-R

      You have two choices.  You can run here on the spectrum:

      L---------X-C----------R  (for sake of argument, let's agree this is where moderate Democrats are like Obama)

      Or you can run here on the spectrum:

      L--X------C----------R  (for sake of argument, let's call this the Bernie Sanders, a Socialist, position).

      Now, as a Democrat running for office, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR ACTUAL positions are, you are going to be treated as a wacko lunatic socialist.  Hence, there is no extra cost to taking the Bernie Sanders positions.  But there is potential benefit!  As it turns out, increasing social security benefits is more popular than decreasing them.  Breaking up big banks is more popular than putting them in charge of the country.  Raising the minimum wage is popular . Universal gun background checks are popular.  

      So you can take luke warm Blue Dog positions, to look like a Republican (see what Truman has to say about that), STILL BE CALLED A SOCIALIST, and have your positions not resonate because you're trying to be "serious," OR you can take the popular liberal positions.  Which can win in Georgia.  LBJ got gigantic crowds in Georgia preaching as liberal a message as you'll hear any Democrat say today.  MLK's message was popular in Georgia.  That didn't go away, just because the Republican party hijacked the state.

      And to answer your question, no, I am not a defeatist .

      •  LBJ and MLK are ancient history (0+ / 0-)

        in political terms, and MLK certainly never could have won a state-wide election in Georgia, anyway.

        Your argument is not politically accurate at all. Name one Democrat running as a liberal/progressive who's won an open US Senate seat in a state with an R+ PVI since the 1990s.

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        by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:46:59 PM PDT

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      •  Make an analogy (0+ / 0-)

        Where was Scott Brown on that continuum? Would he have had any chance of winning if he actually had run as a hard-right Republican? Nope, not a 1% chance, even against Coakley.

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        by MichaelNY on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 05:48:38 PM PDT

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