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  •  that's a very creative interpretation (0+ / 0-)

    Please cite a FAR in support of your assertion.

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    by craiger on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:25:47 PM PDT

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    •  It is an interpretation, based on nearly 18,000 (0+ / 0-)

      hours of flight experience, but I wouldn't consider it an especially creative one...just prudent. Part 91.111a prohibits flying close enough to another aircraft so as to create a collision hazard.  Per the AIM, a near mid air collision is defined as proximity to another aircraft of less than 500 feet, or a report is recieved from a pilot or aircrew member that a collision hazard existed.

      A prudent pilot would be able to prove that he was at least 500 feet from an aircraft in a TFR, in case that aircraft reported that there was a hazard. The aircraft in the TFR is authorized to fly up to and including the highest altitude in the restricted area, (as specified in the NOTAM, in this case)

      What is your interpretation, and based on what?

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      by Bisbonian on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:28:32 PM PDT

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      •  plain language (0+ / 0-)

        The regulations say that I am legal so long as I remain outside the designated limits of the TFR, and see and avoid other air traffic so as to avoid a collision hazard.  With a Mode C resolution of 100 feet, maintaining 200 feet above the top of the restricted airspace unambiguously establishes my compliance with the airspace, and my responsibility to avoid running into other airplanes is the same as any other time I'm not tied down on the ramp.

        What you're saying, it seems, is that it is "prudent" to remain 500 feet above the top of the TFR as a CYA maneuver in case someone decides to lie to the FAA and falsely claim a near-midair.  That is a little different than what is "legal" isn't it?

        I've got 1000 hours in my C182 and an instrument rating.  More than a dozen years flying around San Francisco and Los Angeles airspaces.  Flying 200 feet below a Class B floor is neither illegal nor unusual.  Flying 200 feet above a TFR is no different, legally.

        The only near-midair experience I ever had was when a professional pilot of a Pilatus PC-12 deviated from his IFR clearance and failed to make his departure turn within one mile of the airport.  He nearly took off my right wing from behind, two miles upwind from the airport where I had departed ahead of him.  Separation was about 50 feet horizontally and zero vertically.  I filed an NMAC with the tower manager, and nothing ever came of it.

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        by craiger on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:20:45 PM PDT

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        •  One of the few near midairs have had was (0+ / 0-)

          with a Bonanza, flying around 200 feet below the SFO class B, while I was on an IFR approach into OAK, with 137 passengers.  He is no longer flying.

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          by Bisbonian on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:03:27 PM PDT

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        •  Oh, and the other pilot doesn't need to lie. (0+ / 0-)

          Have you got a five hundred foot ruler you can use to tell how far another airplane is away from you?  He doesn't either.  Now, suppose an Exxon pilot, in a TFR, says you got to close, and you say you didn't ... But please, try it.  I get the feeling we'll all be better off.

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          by Bisbonian on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:09:17 PM PDT

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