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  •  Well, I am not a fatalist. The U.S. is a (9+ / 0-)

    corporation with a limiting Constitution. Commercial and industrial and educational and eleemosynary corporations are subordinate to our public corporations and the legislative bodies, which authorize their creation, can impose similar or more restrictive limitations. Indeed, the legislative bodies of Michigan and Wisconsin and Indiana are currently embarked on doing just that -- restricting the functions of municipalities, unions and boards of education. In the case of Michigan's emergency manager law we have an example of a corporation being dissolved in consequence of not having managed resources and assets well. That the Congress is actually to blame for having rationed the distribution of currency to states and municipalities does not change the fact that the state's response to default on the local level is an example of how subservient corporations are liable to being disassembled, if that is the authorizing body's intent. We can have capital punishment for corporations. The corporatocracy, like the aristocracy or the ecclesiastic hierarchy, can be hauled up short by people taking action together.
    The nice thing about using a tool like money is that the reform can be bloodless.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:42:40 AM PDT

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    •  They may have taken it from us... (15+ / 0-)

      in a seemingly bloodless manner but hundreds of thousands of people who died from a preventable cause due to lack of healthcare may disagree.

      The nice thing about using a tool like money is that the reform can be bloodless.
      However, no matter how little blood was spilled when they took it (our money, our power, our dignity, etc...) from us, they will not be as charitable when we try to take it back.

      "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

      by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:07:42 AM PDT

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      •  I don't want to seem disrespectful, but (11+ / 0-)

        the argument that people have died is not persuasive. Everybody dies eventually. People dying before their time is another matter and that should be specified. However, more germain, IMHO, is that people are being subjected to needless suffering by being abused of their right to care and protection against illness and injury and this abuse is something we can do something about, if we just get over this fixation with death, including the state putting people to death to satisfy some blood lust and set an example.
        Being dead is not the worst thing that can happen to a person. Being tortured, especially being tortured while someone stands by and applauds, is.

        You want an example of the latter? How about forcing a victim of rape to do without medical care to remove that violation of her bodily integrity? Politicians who take that stand are taking the rapist's side, inflicting injury without having to lift a hand. And how do they do that? By withholding the money that pays the providers of professional care. They use money. Money makes a handy shield. But, it's not money's fault.

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:34:21 AM PDT

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        •  No disrespect taken... (6+ / 0-)

          I do not disagree with your comment at all.  

          I just think that no matter how "bloodless" the top 1% was during the class war that they have waged against us working stiffs, while taking the vast majority of our nation's resources, biasing our laws against us and using our desperation to their advantage, they will not be so nice when we try to take any of it back.  It doesn't matter how nice we are or what method we use.  

          They see everything as rightfully theirs so if we have anything at all, we must either be theives or moochers.

          The way they see it, either way, we owe our very lives to their benevolence.

          "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

          by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 02:18:48 PM PDT

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    •  I think the "emergency manager" law in Michigan is (7+ / 0-)

      a move to override Democratic elected officials in cities with right-wing appointees from the governor's office.

      Fiscal conservative: a Republican ready to spend $5 to save a dime--especially if that dime is helping a non-donor.

      by Mayfly on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:21:01 PM PDT

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