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  •  The beautiful thing about Clinton is (4+ / 0-)
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    So Clinton evolved. What about you?
    once the polls reach 58%, Bill is totally on board!
    •  Ha! Nice one. Big target, but still funny. (1+ / 0-)
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      •  yeah, not to be *too* cynical (0+ / 0-)

        but I was recently trying to look up information on his apology for DOMA and typed into google something like "Bill Clinton apology  for  .. "

        and the auto fill in feature gave me several juicy options including Rwanda, Tuskegee, and the semen stained dress thing.

        IOW, once an issue is far beyond the point of being ameliorated in any meaningful way, you can be sure that Bill will be there with a genuine, heartfelt "I feel your pain" apology!

        •  What year do you live in? (0+ / 0-)

          Are you still stinging over Nader? Politics of the 90s were different than those of today. A lot of smart liberals said stupid things about a bunch of issues that worked out to favor liberals in the end. Clinton's first acts in office included fighting discrimination against gays in the military. His opponents made "gays in the military" a mantra, it took over all reporting of planned initiatives, and eventually the horrendous compromise of DADT resulted. From "gays in the military" the GOP was able to begin to sew the seeds that formed their taking of the House. There was nothing to be gained politically for any national politician to come out in favor of gay marriage until WELL after the Prop 8 fight played out. The worst Clinton and Obama can be blamed for is pragmatism. If Obama had come out for gay marriage as a candidate in 2008 we could very well have ended up with President McCain, for all you know.

          •  I don't live in any particular year (2+ / 0-)
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            I just call them like I see them, no matter what the year is.

            For example, I lived Buttfuckville USA back in the 1960s and wasn't shy about standing up against gay (and religious) bigotry.

            Sure, if I had run for election, I probably would have received about 1 or 2% of the vote.

            But whatever, that is less important to me than not being a total sellout.

            And voila, 40 years later, who'd ever have thunk that I turned out to be on the right (i.e., "correct") side of history?

    •  Bingo (1+ / 0-)
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      200 points for you

      except I think it's Hillary now who announced her 2016 candidacy with her 'evolvement'

      "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

      by eXtina on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:59:56 AM PDT

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      •  Personally, I am in approximately the same (1+ / 0-)
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        age demographic as Ms. Clinton and I think it is absolutely crazy that somebody of our age would be thinking or running for POTUS (did not Reagan teach us anything?).

        But OTOH, if she's the best person available, well then good for her.

        But if that * is * the case, well then shame on our country, in general!!

        •  I think she will think she's running for the next (1+ / 0-)
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          few years and drop out right around primary time, realizing how foolhardy it owuld be
          at least this is my fantasy, which would prevent Cuomo from making his plans until it's too late

          http://www.nytimes.com/...

          making way for someone really good can pop in to fill the vacuum

          "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

          by eXtina on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:08:53 AM PDT

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          •  Wikipedia has a link for the 2016 (1+ / 0-)
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            election, outlining potential Primary candidates.

            It is really quite depressing. with the possible exceptions of Elizabeth Warren (but is she really"ready") or Martin O'Malley (he looks OK but totally reeks of the stereotypical white male syndrome . .. . not that I object to that being one of those, but still, that's rather last century IMHO).

      •  OK, I come back 1/2 hour later (1+ / 0-)
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        and regret recommending your post.

        Really, why didn't I get at least 250, or maybe even 300 points?

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