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  •  You said: (12+ / 0-)
    Many comments on this site have made it abundantly clear that no regulation, no compromise, no restriction, nothing short of repealing the 2nd and eliminating all guns will ever be sufficient
    I call Bullshit.

    If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. Albert Einstein

    by kharma on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:28:17 AM PDT

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    •  He has a point, (12+ / 0-)

      though to be fair, it is one he had to sharpen himself.

      There have been calls on this site since I've been here to do just about everything physically possible, and quite a few things that were not.

      The 'calls to repeal the 2nd amendment' could be called 'many', if you buy into the old system of '1, 2, 3, many', but have also been vastly outnumbered by the posters that see their interpretation of the 2nd amendment (Guns!  Guns!!  More guns!!!) as sacred and unquestionable.

      And, of course, they consider any transgression, however tiny, against their interpretation to be a complete and total ban of all weapons of any sort.

      They are not, by and large, rational on this subject.  And tend strongly to HR anyone who points that out.  Childish, but there you are.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:27:40 PM PDT

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      •  Well, part of the problem... (12+ / 0-)

        Some people have been fed the NRA propaganda for so long, they can't even think when guns are being discussed. They hear someone like me say that it should be a felony to possess an unregistered firearm, and assume I am calling for a ban on firearms, because the NRA has trained them that the only reason someone would register firearms is to confiscate them. It does not matter to their broken logic that I am a gun owner myself, and would gladly comply with a mandatory registration program. If I am advocating registration, I must be advocating a complete ban on guns. Just like how the campaign to ban cheap "Saturday Night Specials" back in the 60s was not an attempt to disarm the American people, but don't tell that to a conspiracy theorist.

        Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

        by rhonan on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:35:23 PM PDT

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    •  Are you saying those comments don't exist? (2+ / 0-)
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      FrankRose, happy camper

      They're a minority. Most of the people here just want to strike a different balance between public safety and gun rights. This thread is an example: it's about further outlawing gun laundering, to make existing laws more enforceable.

      I have, however, seen plenty of "Repeal the Second Amendment" posts, an entire "We're coming for your guns" diary, and quite a few people who see England and Japan as models for gun regulation (which is certainly not "eliminating all guns" but is pretty damned close).

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:42:48 PM PDT

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      •  Per comment below (4+ / 0-)
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        tytalus, Smoh, Glen The Plumber, elwior

        repealing the 2nd amendment and taking all guns are not the same thing, a person could hold both positions, but people don't have to.

        Many of the folks who want to repeal the 2nd amendment simply want to make it easier to strike what they consider a fair "balance between public safety and gun rights."

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 02:31:04 PM PDT

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    •  There is a group (1+ / 0-)
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      FrankRose

      dedicated to that very proposition:
      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:51:33 PM PDT

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      •  Uh (10+ / 0-)

        repealing the second amendment does not mean taking away every gun.  This isn't complicated...no constitutional amendment guarantees people the right to own cars or buy Peeps...yet we can do both of those things.

        So, those who want to repeal the 2nd amendment may, or may not, want to wholly ban guns.  They may simply want to make it easier to ban some guns, institute mandatory background checks, etc.

        To be clear, I don't think we need to repeal the 2nd amendment to do any of the things above.  That is, no amendment is beyond reasonable restrictions.  But that's a whole 'nother thang.  I have no problem with hunting rifles and shotguns.

        But back to your comment, opposing the second amendment does not mean "eliminating all guns."

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 02:27:45 PM PDT

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        •  Do you deny (0+ / 0-)

          that there are people here who would like to do just that? I've read comments stating that in no uncertain terms, and so have you.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:42:44 AM PDT

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