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  •  I think that Pilger is almost always (3+ / 0-)
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    The Lone Apple, joanneleon, Agathena

    very thought provoking.

    “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

    by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 01:51:16 AM PDT

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    •  Tired, derivative, mechanical..... (2+ / 0-)
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      stevemb, JeffW

      ....not thought-provoking. And full of errors.

      To begin with, Triumph of the Will didn't establish Hitler's spell. It came long after that spell was established. Hitler established his spell by very low-tech methods, chiefly a huge number of speeches and addresses to crowds large and small, posters, banners, radio -- which itself was merely a larger extension of his spoken words than the public address systems he used at his larger meetings. Thought-provoking? Well, perhaps. But the thought in my mind is whether Pilger was just ignorant of these fairly basic facts, or whether he rearranged the facts to suit the needs of his rhetoric. If the former, he's an ignoramus; if the latter, Hitler would have been proud of him.

      And note the worn-out sarcasm, commonly and justly pilloried when used by the notables of the Right:

      Phones are “platforms” that launch every half-thought. There is Google from outer space if you need it. Caressed like rosary beads, the precious devices are borne headsdown, relentlessly monitored and prioritised.
      Not to speak of the fact that Hitler and his ilk have never been interested in "launching every half-thought," only their own half-thoughts. And the word "half-thought" itself! It drips with congealed contempt for the digital peasantry who have not risen to Pilgerian heights of comprehension. This contempt is not argued, not justified, not supported -- it is rhetorically imposed. Again, Hitler would have been proud.

      And the unconscious, innocent irony of trundling out that oxymoronic phrase "liberal fascism"! Any time that one is tempted to recycle a phrase from Jonah Goldberg, one should pause for a second thought. I'm not entirely sure that the attempt to equate Naziism with the selfish foolery of "austerity" would meet with much favor among those who lived under the former. It is only the idle and shallow consciously living in safety who play this game.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:26:57 AM PDT

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      •  I was happy to see (2+ / 0-)
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        some push back against Pilger's article, because I didn't find it entirely convincing either.  You made some decent points but overall I did not find your argument convincing either.  I think there is some truth in what you are saying and in what Pilger is saying.  "Liberal fascism" might have been an oxymoron at one time but I'm not so sure that it is anymore.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 04:48:19 AM PDT

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      •  Cliches and "Liberal Fascism," A Neofascist Term (0+ / 0-)

        "Liberal Fascism" shows the  truism about "Fascism in America masquerades as antiFascism," which is why you see the term "liberal Fascism" used by the becktards and various people who can't quite bring themselves to get a swastika tattoo.  

        I've written numerous diaries about how "liberal Fascism" is just Nazi apology and Hitler rebranding. See my comment downthread also.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:19:41 AM PDT

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