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  •  We vote for politicians not saints (1+ / 0-)
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    If you examine the life of Abraham Lincoln, you will find many flaws including many racist statements.  Yet the verdict of history has been that he saved the union and made it possible for slavery to be ended.  Certainly the harder line abolitionists were no fans of Lincoln.

    I find it curious that people apply such unreal standards.  You will find no one in this world who will meet them.  You can then choose to be disgruntled and apart.  Or decide that, for better or worse, you'll go with the better.

    "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

    by FDRDemocrat on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:11:26 PM PDT

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    •  "Politicians, not saints." (3+ / 0-)

      Repeat: The single worst act of treason since the Civil War.  Hillary Clinton does not even admit she was wrong to vote for it.

      Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

      by Troubadour on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:14:29 PM PDT

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      •  Your Facts Are Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        Hillary has admitted the vote was a mistake, although she defended her thinking at the time.

        Believe it or not, people can learn and evolve.  I disagree with Hillary about her vote, just as you do.  But I also think she sincerely regrets it.  I am sure Kerry and Biden do too.

        "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

        by FDRDemocrat on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:31:12 PM PDT

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        •  No, she hasn't admitted it was a mistake. (1+ / 0-)
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          Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

          by Troubadour on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:41:27 PM PDT

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          •  Yes during 2008 campaign (0+ / 0-)

            you can look it up

            "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

            by FDRDemocrat on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:45:45 PM PDT

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            •  No, she didn't. I wasn't in a coma in 2008. (2+ / 0-)
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              And I saw how she addressed the Iraq War.  It was basically the argument that she voted to give Bush power, and has no responsibility for what he did with it.  The "no one could have predicted" bullshit.

              Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

              by Troubadour on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:49:46 PM PDT

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              •  The Iraq war... (4+ / 0-)

                ...was a bright shining moment when we got to see who was on our side and who was a fucking poser.

                When the chips were down, Hillary (and Kerry) sold US citizens, the troops, Iraqi civilians, and the Constitution out for their ambitions.

                They failed. Miserably. When I vote for Presidents, I like to vote for people with some shred of moral character (tough these days, I know).

                The lesson must be taught. It is essential that no one who voted for the Iraq war ever get to be President. Ever.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:19:52 PM PDT

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                •  I agree. I would still vote for such a person (2+ / 0-)
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                  in a General Election against a Republican, because bitching about choosing between the "lesser of two evils" is just childish if that's the decision you're faced with.  But while there is an option to reject such people, such as in a primary, I will always do that.  

                  The Iraq War was an historic moment of decision and the clearest test of citizenship, intelligence, courage, and morality since the Civil War.  Those who voted for the Iraq War failed all of the above.  Those who did so and still don't admit they failed prove themselves to be irredeemable liars and narcissists.

                  Going faster miles an hour, with the radio on.

                  by Troubadour on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:39:58 PM PDT

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              •  In one of the MSNBC debates (0+ / 0-)

                she said her biggest regret as Senator was voting for the the Iraq war.

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