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  •  It's funny. (0+ / 0-)

    I read a book on that campaign and the Carter people actually had some polling that showed most voters could see Kennedy in the White House and didn't have a problem with it.

    But the timing was always bad for Kennedy -- people were rallying around the president when the primaries were in full swing and Kennedy didn't have enough primaries left by the time the hostage crisis started hurting Carter's numbers.

    And, of course, Kennedy fumbled the Roger Mudd interview badly.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:19:18 PM PDT

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    •  More. (2+ / 0-)
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      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:27:51 PM PDT

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    •  I supported Kennedy - and Jerry Brown in 76' (0+ / 0-)

      I agree Ted would have been a better President.

      But it bothers me that in 1980 he was seen as within his right to contest the Convention, yet in 2008 everyone was demanding that Hillary - who had far more delegates as a percentage than Kennedy - drop out.

      I agree she did the right thing in making peace with Obama and not making the Convention a battle.  But I'd like her to get some credit for it.

      "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

      by FDRDemocrat on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:38:08 PM PDT

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      •  I don't agree with your premise. (1+ / 0-)
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        Most Dems blame Kennedy for Carter losing or, at least, they blame Kennedy for making a tough battle even tougher for Carter.

        Hillary did the right thing like I hope Obama would, but it didn't turn out all bad for her.

        She's the most popular woman in the country and, I think, the fact that she showed she's a team player has erased some of the sense of entitlement people felt she had before.

        And, by the way, she has the chance to do truly great things as president that she wouldn't have had if she was president now because she'll be inheriting a pretty blank slate instead of spending all her time bailing the country out of a recession and two wars.

        "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

        by Bush Bites on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:46:42 PM PDT

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    •  More still. (0+ / 0-)
      Kennedy’s official announcement was scheduled for early November. A television interview with Roger Mudd of CBS a few days before the announcement went badly, however. Kennedy gave an "incoherent and repetitive"[4] answer to the question of why he was running, and the polls, which showed him leading the President by 58-25 in August now had him ahead 49-39.[5] Meanwhile, 52 American hostages were taken by a group of Islamist students and militants in Tehran, Iran, and Carter’s approval ratings jumped in the 60-percent range in some polls, due to a "rally ‘round the flag" effect[6] and an appreciation of Carter's calm handling of the crisis. Kennedy was suddenly left far behind. Carter beat Kennedy decisively in Iowa and New Hampshire. Carter decisively defeated Kennedy everywhere except Massachusetts, until impatience began to build with the President’s strategy on Iran. When the primaries in New York and Connecticut came around, it was Kennedy who won.

      Carter was still able to maintain a substantial lead even after Kennedy swept the last batch of primaries in June

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:15:49 PM PDT

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      •  I find the only people who blame (0+ / 0-)

        Carter's loss on Kennedy are very young dems that don't remember the time and they think Kennedy ran in the general election.  Yes it is mostly Obama supporters that wanted to discourage a primary run in 2012.  

        •  Nah. (0+ / 0-)

          Carter had the vast majority of delegates in 1980 -- I'm sure most of them also blame Kennedy.

          And, you know, primary challenges never help. Most sitting presidents who get primaried don't seem to win the general.

          OTOH: If they were strong candidates, they wouldn't have gotten primaried in the first place, so it's a chicken and egg thing.

          But, as I said above and as the Wiki item relates, timing was against Teddy. The hostage thing worked to Carter's favor early on, and by the time the hostage thing started working against Carter, it was too late for Teddy. But it was perfect timing for Reagan.

          Frankly, I was undecided back then. But I thought it was justice that Carter lost the general largely because of the hostage thing because he used it as part of his "rose garden strategy" in the primaries.

          Live by the hostage crisis, die by the hostage crisis.

          "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

          by Bush Bites on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:03:52 AM PDT

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