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  •  can someone explain the NC voting bill? (5+ / 0-)

    Something about college students must vote where their parents live?

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    by MartyM on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:13:10 AM PDT

    •  Makes sense for the GOP if you think about it (4+ / 0-)

      The GOP spends a bunch of effort in NC making sure that their kids are good little fundies who will vote for the nuttiest teabagger.

      But then some of those kids go off to school in other states or districts, while out of state kids from northern states come in.  So their teabagger votes get diluted on both sides.  What else could the reason be?

    •  The bill would deny parents a personal ... (22+ / 0-)

      ... exemption for their child on their North Carolina income tax return if the child is registered to vote where they are living while in college, despite the fact that they are providing more than half of the child's support and qualify for the exemption under federal law.  Thus for the parents to keep the exemption on their state return, the child must be registered to vote where the parents home is located.

      This means the child would have to request an absentee ballot, or travel back to the parents' home to vote.  The effect of this is that get-out-the-vote efforts, efforts to get college students to show up and vote, will be impaired.

      Combined with the legislature's intention to significantly cut back on early voting for everyone, this bill is designed to reduce turnout among college students.

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      by davehouck on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:33:54 AM PDT

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      •  and I am sure it means that students (5+ / 0-)

        at the flagship school -- UNC -- and Duke -- and the liberal arts college in Greensboro -- but whose parents live out of state would have an issue getting registered because they would be asked if their parents list them as dependents (how long before the NC colleges are required to list those who rely on their parents for financial assistance or who are still dependents?) and told (whether it is true or not) that they can't vote in NC.

      •  That's just one of the effects. (14+ / 0-)
        The effect of this is that get-out-the-vote efforts, efforts to get college students to show up and vote, will be impaired.
        The other effect would be to dilute college students' votes, so that their mostly-Democratic votes aren't concentrated in one college town where they could conceivably elect a Democrat, but rather scattered throughout numerous gerrymandered-Republican districts.

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        by JamesGG on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:47:27 AM PDT

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      •  This would keep DFH votes out of NC (2+ / 0-)


        by raincrow on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:54:59 AM PDT

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      •  Tax hike! (6+ / 0-)

        The way the action is being reported down here is that the state government wants to raise taxes on parents whose kids attend college.

        Hit these idiotic legislators where it hurts.

        I wonder how many conservative North Carolinians (many of whom remain democrats--at least in name) are happy with this government they've elected.

        Just because the government keeps a record of real property transfers, it doesn't mean that the government wants to confiscate your home.

        by NCJan on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:16:05 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, it is indeed a tax increase (2+ / 0-)
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          And to your point about "this government they've elected".  I would imagine that a lot of voters thought that McCrory was a moderate; and it seems that with all of this bad legislation being considered in Raleigh, at least some of those voters most be having second thoughts.

          Interestingly, I just received a blast email from fundraising for Democrats off this bill and the legislation restricting early voting.  Hopefully that suggests that the state Democratic party has learned some lessons from 2010 and 2012.

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          by davehouck on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:19:53 AM PDT

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        •  And to perhaps to make it even clearer ... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... it's a tax hike on parents struggling to send their kids to college.

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          by davehouck on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:22:41 AM PDT

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      •  Just like the rest (1+ / 0-)
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        of their bone-headed, knee-jerk legislation, this one doesn't even meet their goal.

        NC cannot bar anyone from getting a deduction on another state's income tax. Period.

        The deduction they're targeting, according to the NC GOP, is on the federal tax form, which they can not affect.  Since they can't take that federalmoney from families, they instead say they will disallow that new, lower "adjusted income" on state tax forms.

        Question - How can NC force the state of, say California, to disqualify a legal federal tax deduction, and a legally claimed reflection of that in their state income taxes?  Just because their child has paid to go to a college in NC?

        Answer - they can't.

        So, once again, a piece of unenforceable, un-Constitutional legislative "candy", meant to appeal to the children on the far-right, and ends up punishing people other than those they were targeting. Rather than the out of state students from those "liberal" bastions, like South Carolina and Mississippi, it punishes in-state students like my daughter, who lives in Asheville, where she goes to school, rather than Raleigh.

        Kudos, GOP!  Next we'll just need a fitting name, to more accurately portray what this bill is truly designed to do -

        "The Virginia Foxx Protection Act".

        (Actually, if we just sell it as an Environmental/Animal Protection Act, and they'll vote against their own bill.  They have become that reactionary!)

        Or maybe, more plainly, the "Don't Send Your College Students to NC Act", adding yet another group to Gov. McCrory's new "Please Don't Come to NC! agenda.

        "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

        by Bcre8ve on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 11:59:17 AM PDT

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    •  NC voting bill tl;dr (3+ / 0-)
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      can someone explain the NC voting bill?
      Something about college students must vote where their parents live?
      If NC college students vote at school, their parents will be charged a poll tax.

      +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

      by cybersaur on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:51:36 AM PDT

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    •  It's a very deceptive bill (4+ / 0-)
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      because it is really aimed at minimizing the vote in areas that are more progressive, namely Watauga and Orange Counties (Chapel Hill).  It only affect in-state students and their parents by removing the state income tax deductions if the child registers to vote at college.  By registering to vote in another city, the student will also have to register their car and driver's licenses in that city.  I.E., let's make it such a pain in the ass to register at college, that you're less likely to do it.

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      by VeloVixen on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:53:58 AM PDT

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    •  As I understand it (2+ / 0-)
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      It gives parents a tax incentive to make sure their kids' voting registration stays home while they go to college. Kids that register to vote in their college towns cause their parents to lose a tax deduction.

      Very clever attack on college students' influence in the towns where they go to live for four-ten years.

      Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

      by trevzb on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:09:04 AM PDT

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    •  If students vote in their college towns (3+ / 0-)
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      their parents would not be able to claim them as dependents for tax purposes. It's heinous.

      You get what you deserve, even if you don't deserve it (Issan Dorsey, Zen teacher)

      by kayak58 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:56:46 AM PDT

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