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  •  regarding that 'one on-target hit' (0+ / 0-)

    utterly obliterating everything in it's path...

    Yeah, every soldier, cop, and enthusiast likes to believe we are capable of those, at close range, when both the target and shooter are in motion.  Reality is a different story.

    If firearms really stopped people like they do in action movies, we'd never have had this discussion in the first place.

    •  so (2+ / 0-)
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      would you support any limit

      on magazine size?

      How much is enough?

      you suggested 30 or 40 earlier.

      •  Instead of an arbitrary number (1+ / 0-)
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        How about something more akin to standard per the design?  For example, most defensive guns carried by LEOs hold between 11 and 19.  The FN-57 which is both popular with govt agencies and has a lot of technical aspects that are superior for defensive use comes standard (IIRC) 20 rounds, and as we know the AR comes standard at 30.  So in other words, design standard is fine, but enhanced, extra large capacity is nixed?

        My line of thinking is that this takes it out of the political and arbitrary realm of conflict and puts it back in the hands of the designers, who presumably had a reason for their choice.

      •  The truth? (1+ / 0-)
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        a 30 round magazine is standard, not high capacity, for an AR-15.  Anything bigger tends to jam, which makes it a range toy.  Anything bigger is also heavier then the magazine catch in the receiver is designed for, so in short, you're speeding up how fast you wear out parts in your rifle.

        The 100/200 round drums you see are expensive, unreliable, and tend to cause excessive wear.  For a "good guy", this is a bad thing.

        The Colorado shooter used a drum on his AR-15 and it jammed about 30 rounds into his rampage.  Had he used 30 round magazines, he wouldn't have had to go to his shotgun and pistols, and probably woudl have killed more people.  His super-sized magazine ended up hampering him.

        jared loughner was stopped when his extended capacity (33 round) glock magazine jamed/was awkward to reload/easy to grab because it sticks out so much.  Another example of a super-sized magazine hindering the nutcase.

        On one hand, if there was some kind of 'contract' whereby aftermarket extended magazines over 10 rounds were banned (10 round 1911 magazines have a role in competition shooting), standard capacity magazines were always legal, and somehow there was a binding promise that gun control was now and forever a dead issue, I may go along with it.  Extended magazines are useless IMO, but counterproductive to the nutcases.

        But the gun control crowd is never satisfied,  the honest ones (DK contributers included) admit that the endgame is no more private ownership of firearms, and everything short of that is simply baby steps.  Also those aforementioned extended magazines ironically hurt the crazies who wielded them more then they helped.  If Loughner  didn't jam and successfully reloaded, more peopel would have been hurt/killed.  If the Colorado shooter used standard 30 round magazines, he could have kept using his rifle.

    •  I heard of an AK-15 that made the bodies of (6+ / 0-)

      20 five year olds unrecognizable to their parents. That's the reality I can't seem to shake.

      guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

      by 88kathy on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 06:00:56 PM PDT

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    •  but . . . but . . . I thought the defensive gun (4+ / 0-)
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      owners were all super-ninjas who coulda dropped any of those mass shooters in their tracks if only they'da been there with their Glocks.

      And now you're telling me that defensive gun shooters can't hit the broad side of a battleship unless they spray and pray . . . .

      •  That old strawman again? (0+ / 0-)
        but . . . but . . . I thought the defensive gun

        owners were all super-ninjas who coulda dropped any of those mass shooters in their tracks if only they'da been there with their Glocks.

        Ironically, though, recently one carry permit holder did just that... with, wait for it, his glock!
        •  Goddamn. You've got almost no diaries here, mostly (0+ / 0-)

          offensive comments, and practically no public support (outside of RKBA)!

          Are you sure that you're even on the RIGHT (or left, in the case of Dkos) blog?

          There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

          by oldpotsmuggler on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:29:03 PM PDT

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          •  where to begin... (0+ / 0-)
            Goddamn. You've got almost no diaries here, mostly (0+ / 0-)
            offensive comments
            Please show me an offensive comment I've made.  Hint:  countering a popular opinion with facts backed by links isn't offensive simply because you don't agree.
            and practically no public support (outside of RKBA)
             Ergo, my position is unpopular, so I'm simply wrong or need to be shouted down?

            I spend a lot of time highlighting Illinois gun laws and promoting their passage nationwide.  A lot of DK contributors say they want to do something about gun violence, by which they mean a ban.  I don't agree and yes, there's going to be a difference of opinion.

            You may or may not have noticed, I tend to post a lot of links supporting my position.  Follow them, debunk them, prove me wrong.

            Are you sure that you're even on the RIGHT (or left, in the case of Dkos) blog?
            I'm a pro-gun, pro-choice, pro-equality, pro-union, pro-legalization democrat from Illinois.  Which other blog are you suggesting?
        •  give us a weekly diary series, then, like the (1+ / 0-)
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          weekly gun deaths, that show us all these wonderful successful gun-defense uses that you claim must be going on.

          Should be several hundred a week, right?

          Get cracking . . . .

          •  Another contributor has that gig. (0+ / 0-)

            Maybe I can do a weekly diary on a national foid card, because, thats what I advocate?

            It's a simple concept though, I wouldn't get past two weeks of Illinois foid card history and material, but we'll see how it goes.

            •  yeah, um-I heard that gig didn't work out too well (0+ / 0-)


              Alas, it sounds to me as if you are just as much in love with the whole revolution-porn gun thingie as the Bircher kooks are.

              Some "revolutionaries" never learn the simple lesson that picking up guns is the FINAL step, not the first. Before that comes years or decades of boring-ass drudge organizing work--the kind of stuff that the revolution-porn fans don't like to be bothered with.  (sigh)

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