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  •  That their own congressman (1+ / 0-)
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    is out to get them. I live in Northern Michigan where the only real cash flow is SS and unemployment, and my poor neighbors still vote GOP.

    •  Well, that's my point. (6+ / 0-)

      THEIR party turned down the offer to cut SS.  OUR party is the one pushing for it, and you can bet the campaign ads are going to reflect that in 2014.

      Their own GOP congressman is not the one that put the SS cut in the budget.  The fact that the left is vocally unhappy with these cuts doesn't mean you can talk your neighbors into forgetting who proposed them.

      •  No, be honest (0+ / 0-)

        (Disclaimer: I'm not at all in favor of "chained CPI" but)

        What the proposal does isn't cut social security, it cuts the rate at which the annual October increase is calculated.

        By contrast, the Republican budget goes back to a coupon for Medicare.

        And Ryan still stands in favor of eliminating traditional social security entirely.

        So those ads aren't going anywhere.

        •  Unbelievable (7+ / 0-)

          Parse it any way you like.  It's a cut to SS.  I can't believe you said that.

          A person who started collecting SS around 1975 may have received $600.00 per month, and at that time, it might have been a decent amount.  According to your logic, if their check was still $600.00 per month, that would not have been a cut.

          The social security benefit automatically includes cost of living increases. (otherwise it would be nearly worthless for keeping the elderly out of poverty)  When you cut those cost of living increases, you are cutting the social security benefit, and no parsing of words changes that.

          If you put $1000 into a CD at your bank at 5% interest (yes, I'm old...I remember 5% interest), and when you went to roll it over, you were only given 3%, that's not a cut, right?  It's only a decrease in the amount of increase....or something.

        •  Trying to pretend cuts aren't cuts is a damned (0+ / 0-)

          funny way to fight cuts.

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 02:20:44 PM PDT

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          •  Not pretending--not arguing (0+ / 0-)

            I'm just a pragmatist. Unless there is some cut, Boehner will not allow a vote--he can't because he'd have no job. He has zero interest in the nation or Ohio, only in his sorry $%^&*.

            And realize that last year and the year before there was NO increase in ss. Chained cpi or cola, no difference.

            I'm tolerant of the concession that is easiest to reverse if it passes, but more importantly, I want the country to see the real position of the GOP--no SS or Medicare at all.

            •  So? (0+ / 0-)
              Unless there is some cut, Boehner will not allow a vote--he can't because he'd have no job. He has zero interest in the nation or Ohio, only in his sorry $%^&*.
              So we cave, and let him sucker us into unnecessary cuts because..Boehner?

              I say we tell him, here's his offer -  we catch up on the debt by raising taxes.  If he doesn't like it he can sit and spin.

              What the hell is he going to do?  Propose some crap that will never get through the senate or be signed by the president?

              Fuck them.  They're not getting MY SS, and I'll be damned if I'll let them try to balance their stupid budget on the backs of the elderly, the veterans, and the poor.

              You can try to justify whatever you want.  You know what's happening.  Either you stand up for what's right, or you roll over and pee all over yourself like a demented Pomeranian.    Your choice.

              •  And when Boehner shuts down the government (0+ / 0-)

                not on principle, but because he wants to keep his corner office...because I don't think he has an ethical bone in his does that help? I have a son who can't make his bills but will get a couple of furlough days this month, and he isn't really "needy" the way the folks down the road are...

                We aren't on opposite sides, just juggling idealism vs pragmatism.

                Ultimately, I think that nothing will pass. The whole thing will be band-aided. And (I hope and pray) the stink of what the GOP is doing will cause them to lose the House in 14. Then a real plan will be passed that closes loopholes, negotiates drug prices, raises the "cap" on income on which ss is paid, brings (now legal) new immigrants into the system to change our demographics, and solves the problem for generations.

                We aren't really disagreeing. You are just more idealistic than I am. It may be an age gap. We want the same thing.

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