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  •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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    But how do you force a constitutional convention to happen and will the politicians pay any attention to the outcome?

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 07:11:33 AM PDT

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    •  2/3rds of the state legislatures must ask for one (4+ / 0-)
      But how do you force a constitutional convention to happen and will the politicians pay any attention to the outcome?
      They have to, or the courts will remove them.

      The first step is to stop pretending that the Founders were all knowing geniuses.  After all, in the original version slavery was essentially codified into the the Constitution.  Less than a century later, the US was almost destroyed by a war b/c of their actions.

      Poll any knowledgeable political scientist and they will tell you that the US Constitution is not a model for emerging democracies.

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      by jds1978 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:27:08 AM PDT

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      •  As Jackson said... (0+ / 0-)

        "Mr. Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it!"

        The Supreme Court has no standing army, nothing more than a few bailiffs.  It was unable to bend a president to follow its decisions; you think it's going to do any better against Congress?

    •  Constitutional convention? (3+ / 0-)
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      How do you keep it from allowing Congress to criminalize desecrating the flag? How do you keep it from otherwise pandering to the criminal justice industry?
      How do you keep it from redefining marriage as the union of one man and one woman?

      Censorship is rogue government.

      by scott5js on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:47:35 AM PDT

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      •  Whatever comes out of the Convention must (2+ / 0-)
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        How do you keep it from allowing Congress to criminalize desecrating the flag? How do you keep it from otherwise pandering to the criminal justice industry?
        How do you keep it from redefining marriage as the union of one man and one woman?
        ....pass 4/5th of the states or it's a 'do over'

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        by jds1978 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:30:33 AM PDT

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      •  All valid concerns. It's a huge can of worms. (4+ / 0-)
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        But the current path is a dead end.

        "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

        by Bisbonian on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:45:58 AM PDT

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      •  Wir sind nicht in Deutschland (0+ / 0-)

        Germany got its Grundgesetz (Fundamental Law) because it had to start over from scratch and had to live some things down. It could draw upon the experience of many other countries with their constitutions. It adopted something of a hybrid of the French and American constitutions and the British system. It has a good constitution, but not a perfect one. No such animal.
        We Americans do not have proportional representation, and it would be very hard to graft onto this country. We do not have a provision that any vote of confidence must include the nomination of a new flesh-and-blood chancellor. After all, we do not have a parliamentary form of government.
        Thank goodness we do not have an emergency powers clause like in the Weimar constitution, although George W. Bush seemed to believe in a Living Constitution that implied emergency powers for him in case of an attack on the World Trade Center or a fire in the Reichstag.
        What I hear people yelling "we need a new system" I feel like asking, "Doesn't the German Grundgesetz require that if you raise a vote of confidence you must name a successor?"

        Censorship is rogue government.

        by scott5js on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 12:36:32 PM PDT

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      •  Press freedom in USA (1+ / 0-)
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        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        This country ranks behind 31 countries (including Finland, Germany, UK, and Czech Republic) and just ahead of Lithuania.
        Are you satisfied?

        Censorship is rogue government.

        by scott5js on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 02:10:29 PM PDT

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