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  •  "Social and Political Change" (3+ / 0-)
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    OK, how about Economic change... anything? If so, I hope the millennials work fast, given the lousy March jobs numbers-- a feeble 88,000 jobs created.

    Has one diary been posted on this?

    Regarding social and political change; let's please get real here. Obama, HRC and the rest "evolved" on gay marriage only because it became politically expedient to do so-- not because they are actually any sort of progressive/liberal politician.

    It became clear by supporting gay marriage, they are likely to gain more votes than they lose-- which wasn't the case five years ago.

    The upcoming SCOTUS ruling is rather easy to predict: there's no way they are going to write a law making gay marriage available in all states. they'll toss it back to the states-- and never address the issue again.

    Regarding polling on gun control and marijuana; these polls are mostly irrelevant, because congress is not going to act progressively on these issues, regardless of what the people want.

    I guess everyone missed Sen. Reid telling Sen. Feinstein a couple of weeks ago he doesn't have the votes to pass new gun control legislation.

    Again-- everyone needs to watch Lawrence Lessig's recent brilliant TED talk regarding just who runs our nation. perhaps then you'll understand why the polling is irrelevant.

    "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

    by Superpole on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:25:14 AM PDT

    •  And let's not forget that as young people (3+ / 0-)
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      move up the economic ladder they become more conservative on economic issues.  This is what happened to many of the college-educated boomers.  Give them their social issues (and these ARE important) they seem to have no problem throwing their less-affluent allies under the bus.

      "One of the greatest tragedies of man's long trek along the highway of history has been the limiting of neighborly concern to tribe, race, class or nation." Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by brae70 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 06:35:34 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, they already are (3+ / 0-)
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        fiscally conservative. It's one of the traits they picked up from their parents. They are generally thrifty and want to make as much money as possible in order to better experience life — they ultimately value experiences over money, in general.

        Fewer of them are accumulating "stuff," they increasingly rely less on financial institutions for advice, they're saving at a high rate but not investing (too risky given that many of them experienced both the dot com meltdown and the Bush recession), they're borrowing less (except for education), and so on.

        These kids, as a generation, are already pretty conservative when it comes to their finances and their attitudes formed early will take hold for a lifetime. And their optimism is refreshing, too, in that while they took a good deal of the brunt during this recession, they have high expectations for their future opportunities.

        The changes in this generation will hit every aspect of the economy, government, and business.

        I do a lot of research into this generation for my clients. Businesses are concerned and I help them do the right thing.

        Chaos. It's not just a theory.

        by PBnJ on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:24:45 AM PDT

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        •  Well, That Answers That (1+ / 0-)
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          If they're already fiscally conservative, that means they don't have a plan to create jobs-- just like their older counterparts.

          "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

          by Superpole on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:17:59 AM PDT

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          •  lol Well, I wasn't speculating on (0+ / 0-)

            smarts but rather what they do with, think about, and feel toward money.

            Maybe "reserved," "thoughtful," "value-driven," and "selective" are better ways to describe this than conservative.

            Chaos. It's not just a theory.

            by PBnJ on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 11:19:02 AM PDT

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      •  Research is showing that people don't (1+ / 0-)
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        actually become more conservative with age. Each generation tends to stay about the same as they age. At some point in history, elders are more conservative. At other points, they are more liberal. The Millennials I have met are fiscally responsible, but also very community oriented. They take care of each other.  http://news.discovery.com/...

        "The Democrats are the lesser evil and that has to count for something. Good and evil aren't binary states. All of us are both good and evil. Being less evil is the trajectory of morality." --SC

        by tb92 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:15:31 PM PDT

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    •  We have to make it cost them to shaft us (2+ / 0-)
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      As you said, the polls don't matter unless there is action to go with the preference.

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