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  •  what's "many?" (8+ / 0-)
    I don't think many people here hate Obama
    'cause I see the thesis "he WANTS to cut SS so granny can starve, cause he's a one percenter" peppered through comment threads in diaries critical of the president.  I KNOW you've seen them too.

    these threads tend to degenerate into a study on motivations, both of the president, and his supporters.  the motivations in question are typically found wanting lol.

    I find it hard to believe the people expressing that POV don't literally hate someone who wants granny to starve, unless those people are incapable of the emotion.

    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:49:10 AM PDT

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    •  It seems to me that words "hate" and "hater" in (16+ / 0-)

      relation to Obama are nearly always used by those defending him.  I don't see criticism - even severe criticism - as hate.  Maybe you do, but I do not pick up that emotion or motivation from Obama's critics.  The criticism is more about the policies, pronouncements and/or tactics.  This idea of hating someone sounds more like middle school kind of discourse than it does like a political or ideological  argument.  You can hate or love someone independently of agreeing or disagreeing with their positions.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:12:28 AM PDT

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    •  chained-CPI, granny WILL starve. Fact. (13+ / 0-)

      Fuck, I'm eating day-old bagels (bag of 4, $1) to finish the month's last 3 days, and I'll be worse off with chained-CPI.

      The Sequester, which was supposed to be some brilliant ploy, is seeing thousands lose medical treatment. Millions, like my relatives, lose 10%, 20% of their income. (I know two Obama voters, not online politicos, just working people who... well, you mentioned hate. Don't mention Obama in their presence.)

      So give me a reason to hurt the marginal, really really hurt them in the real world, which is not just fucking rhetoric, it's real pain for tens of millions...

      if not because The President agrees to the Republican/Wall Street/1%s worldview at heart?

      Have you seen his appointments? Having seen them, have you thought about them, who's interest they represent?

      Playing some brilliant gamble is he? He's fucking gambling with my life and the lives of a lot of people I know. When he ran on "I'm on your side."

      Why not gamble on Let's Have the Updated New Deal, if the brilliant game is to put the Republicans in a corner. When 72% of the voting public says "Massive Federal Stimulus Now, Deficits be Damned."

      You know that "deficit is major crises" is a lie; that "Social Security" in trouble is a lie; that cutting Social Security will make the Economy worse and its insane from a practical policy angle.

      So why do it? Why do it?

      You think people are angry now? Watch what happens in 3, 4 months when he pushes this: http://www.counterpunch.org/...

      PS: Anger is not hate. And there is a thing such as justified anger.


      If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

      by Jim P on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:25:24 AM PDT

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      •  Doesn't matter (6+ / 0-)

        It's all about Obama.  Granny may starve, but she will serve a greater purpose.  Putting Obama's face on the $20 bill, for example.  

        •  What kills me is this is all for a little money (7+ / 0-)

          from the Filthy Rich, who are going to call their accountant and say, "hide some more money" anyway.

          It's just so mind-numbingly stupid: economically, politically, socially insane. And "insane" is not hyperbole, it's technical.


          If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

          by Jim P on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:19:16 AM PDT

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        •  they will kick FDR off of the dime (4+ / 0-)

          and put Obama's face in his place.

          See, they tried that with Reagan, but because he was a Republican, it failed. People thought it was too partisan.

          But Obama's a Democrat--and so putting his face on the dime would simply be replacing one Democrat with another. Much, much easier to do.

          Don't think they haven't already planned for this. Once Obama's presidency is finished, the 1% will have their media lapdogs obliterate the pre-Obama history of the Democratic party.

          The hated FDR will be disappeared down the memory hole, and in his place, they will raise up Obama--the great statesman who single-handedly transformed the Democratic party from a disorganized, spendthrift hippie rabble which was threatening to bankrupt America with their Medicare and their Social Security, into a lean, mean Wall Street party of fiscal discipline and drone warfare.

          His Grand Bargain to destroy the safety net will be hailed as the greatest act of any American politician in the last century. For 80 years the 1% have suffered under the tyrannical yoke of "that man" in the White House, who, during the Great Depression, dared to betray his class and redistribute their wealth downward. He died, but his legacy has lived on, even prospered.

          No longer! They can finally be rid of his baleful legacy, take back the wealth that should rightfully be theirs, and reduce the 99% to serfdom once again.

          And Obama will be the instrument of their liberation. For that they will deify him as the Egyptians did their pharaohs. Don't doubt it.

          "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

          by limpidglass on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:26:36 AM PDT

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    •  he knows what side his bread is buttered on (6+ / 0-)

      and he is acting to secure his future by pleasing those on whom his future depends; the cost to others is secondary.

      In that, he's no worse than people one meets every day at work (if one is fortunate enough to have a job, of course--many people aren't).

      The only difference is he has about 1 quadrillion times more responsibility than the average joe (or jane). And since he only got his position by promising those average joes and janes that he would fight for them, it's understandable that those average joes and janes are furious when he uses the awesome power that they entrusted him with to enrich the rich and empower the powerful, at the cost of those at the bottom of the pyramid.

      It is not some irrational "hatred" that is baseless and childish. It is the anger of people who are being screwed over by the man who promised to protect their interests.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:03:04 AM PDT

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    •  He is a 1%'er. More like a .1%er. (6+ / 0-)

      He does want to cut Social Security.  He's dedicated much of the last five years to doing it.

      I don't know what the fuck his personal motivations are, but then, neither do you.

      One of us is rooted in reality firmly enough to admit that.

      income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

      by JesseCW on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:03:12 AM PDT

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    •  Proud of his wanting to cut SS and Medicare (1+ / 0-)
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      benefits, are you?  You think that's a great thing?

    •  Motivations are irrelevant (1+ / 0-)
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      It doesn't matter why Obama wants to cut SS and Medicare at all, what matters is that based on his actions, it is clear that - for whatever reason - he does want to cut SS and Medicare.

      Focusing on the speculation of his motivations is as petty and useless as focusing on the speculations of George Bush's ostensible motivation to wage war on Iraq.  If we allow Obama to succeed in cutting SS and Medicare, it really won't matter why he did it, all that will matter is that he did it and it may not matter at this point even if he doesn't.  The difference between a Dem House and Senate in the next midterm may be just that he proposed it.

      I, for one, don't give a damn as to why.  I just want to see it stopped and I have no doubt that there are a lot more people here like me than there are that genuinely hate Obama despite your purposefully distracting and hyperbolic protestations to the contrary.

      Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

      by democracy inaction on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 12:17:14 PM PDT

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