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  •  faulty argument (0+ / 0-)

    You're ignoring population density.

    Correct for that and your argument evaporates.

    •  So you believe that strict gun laws hinder (1+ / 0-)
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      Utahrd

      criminal behavior?  Do gang members suddenly drop their weapons because they are now banned? The answer is no they do not. Why would they as generally they are already banned from owning them in the first place....if they are felons and/or too young and/or drug users.

      Have you ever considered the fact that in places in which they have strict gun laws, that the general population (those who are law abiding and thus choose not to have a weapon to protect themselves....because to do so would make them a criminal) have no means to protect themselves and so you find a higher rate of robberies, muggings and/or home invasions in which they are victims involved and not just property? Chicago has the phenomenon.

       I wonder if crime might go down in these areas if all of a sudden, guns were more prevalent in the hands of the law abiding. Perhaps the criminals would second guess the decision to pick any home on the block...when they are unaware if the occupants were armed or not.

      •  Thank you, LaPierre! (1+ / 0-)
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        JMcDonald
        I wonder if crime might go down in these areas if all of a sudden, guns were more prevalent in the hands of the law abiding. Perhaps the criminals would second guess the decision to pick any home on the block...when they are unaware if the occupants were armed or not.
        •  Is there any way you could just answer the (0+ / 0-)

          questions?  It is a discussion, is it not?

           Do you believe that strict gun laws hinder criminal behavior?  That is the purpose of all the debates, all the discussions and the reasons behind every new law....is it not? So each new law should, at the very least, have some general purpose toward that goal and/ or some kind of rational backing that would support that goal.

      •  yes, gang violence will drop (0+ / 0-)

        if you actually control weapons.

        Other nations also have inner-city gangs, but their homicide rate is a fraction of ours.

        But to get to real control, we need a permeant national gun registry, thorough background checks (including family members), strict liability (every gun and every bullet ALWAYS has someone liable for it), and stiff penalties (5+ years in prison) for things like straw-man purchases.

        Do that, and gang violence will become vastly lower.

      •  you don't need to wonder (0+ / 0-)

        Correcting for everything else, homes with guns have double the homicide rate, a dozen times the suicide rate.

        More legal guns => more dead people

    •  Hawaii must be dangerous (1+ / 0-)
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      Bailey2001

      New Hampshire, too.

      "states like VT and ID are not 'real america'" -icemilkcoffee

      by Utahrd on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:07:24 AM PDT

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