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  •  For persons of faith, isn't it just "God's will"? (1+ / 0-)
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    WereBear Walker

    You know, whenever something horrible happens? Isn't it just something preordained by God anyway? So we can't really be angry about it?

    One of my partners is an evangelistic fundie, and that's his take when one of his patients dies. God's will. To me that seems waaaaaaaay to convenient, absolving us of responsibility.

    •  The answer to your sneering question is No. (1+ / 0-)
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      Not all persons of faith just write off a human tragedy and the failure to help someone in depression and despair as God's Will. Some of us are deeply saddened, and empathize with those who are bereaved, and moved to compassion. Some see it in the big picture as that we need better supports for people struggling with mental illness, and their families, and better medical treatments.

      Although you probably would be interested in that, since it seems like you were just asking that question rhetorically, and generalizing a point of view and distain for all "persons of faith" based solely on your "partner who's an evangelistic fundie."

      If such a partner leaves you with such contempt for all the people of faith out here, why are you still their partner?

      Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. ~ Yoda Political Compass: -8.50, -6.46

      by Cinnamon on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 07:27:43 AM PDT

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      •  Practice partner, not life partner. (0+ / 0-)

        It's his business what he chooses to believe or not about the scary invisible guy in the sky. Even if I have no respect for his 'convenience Christianity' that helps him rationalize his right wing politics that brutalizes the poor and downtrodden he claims to love.

        I absolutely do not have 'contempt for all the people of faith out here'. What I do have is a powerful skepticism born of a lifetime of seeing how little connection there is between professions of faith and genuine personal virtue. I know wonderful people who are skeptics, atheists, whatever you want to call us. I know many wonderful folks who are believers. I also know plenty of execrable human beings who hide behind the banner of faith, claiming a kind of vicarious virtue they do not deserve. The correlation between proclaimed faith and personal goodness appears to be random or even mildly negative as far as I can see from personal experience. And the unjustified presumption of virtue bestowed upon "people of faith" by our culture makes me crazy.

        Nothing personal intended.

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