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  •  the logical outcome of your thinking (4+ / 0-)
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    CwV, a2nite, joycemocha, WakeUpNeo

    that the answer lies somewhere in between is precisely what people on the political right of most issues, including the NRA, depend upon.  They move very far to the right to try to pull the middle closer to them.

    Sorry, but other than law enforcement there is NO reason whatsoever for people to have guns in schools.

    Far too many people who carry are not trained properly, including for being in educational settings.

    There is a wealth of evidence, including the videos ABC put out sometime back, that even demonstrate that some trained people do not react properly in crisis situations.

    In Tucson, someone legally entitled to carry came within a whisker of shooting the wrong person.  If one person pulls out a gun and other people have guns, start thinking about the cross-fire.

    Given the ammunition some are carrying, the bullets can go through walls and hit people outside the room.

    The answer to violence is not more violence.  The presence of guns does not deter violence as you think, but often leads towards more intense violence.  The presence of additional weapons can lead to the baddies simply shooting those with guns first, and remember, armed guards are usually easily identifiable, and that just gives them more firepower.

    The presence of guns in homes leads to far greater incidents of suicides, accidents, domestic disputes becoming fatal, than it does in deterring or stopping crime.  The evidence on that is also overwhelming.

    We have the highest rate of private gun ownership among industrialized democracies.  We also have a gun death rate that is appalling when compared to those nations.

    What is scary is that a decreasing percentage of households now own an increasing number of weapons.  Those arsenals are often poorly secured, and could quickly become a target for those seeking more firepower.

    We do NOT need more guns in schools.

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:51:40 AM PDT

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    •  It looks like there is no point in even having (1+ / 0-)
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      this discussion.  If you say the answer is absolutely not, then I will do the opposite.  You can fight for a curtailing of gun rights and I will fight for an expansion of them.  In your reply, I see a bunch of anti-gun statements, that while I realize you believe them to be true and factual, I see as nonsense garbage.

      Several states, such as mine, are finally eliminating the restrictions on carry in schools.  As a school (college) employee, this impacts me directly and I very much welcome the change.

      •  umm, since when does this have to do with (3+ / 0-)
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        gun rights outside of school?  You are arguing for expanding where guns can be carried and justifying it by Newtown, Edelman and I are saying that is not an answer to Newtown nor will it make schools any safer.

        "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

        by teacherken on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:45:37 AM PDT

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        •  On the contrary, I think the school GFZ makes (0+ / 0-)

          things less safe.  I work at a school (university).  It is in a very affluent town and is uber Liberal to the point where they have signs up about town regarding it being a GFZ.  That hasn't done a damned thing to stop the armed robbery, rape, murder, and burglary / home invasion that runs rampant around the area.  

          I am not trying to justify anything.  I am saying it is time to put a stop to the Schools = GFZ nonsense.  While I am not as radical in this regard as the NRA, I do think we should allow those who are willing, to take the training and obtain the certifications necessary to allow them to carry in educational environments.  In other word, not a mandatory arm the teachers, but a withdrawal of the forced disarmament.  Currently, a GFZ tells criminals that it is a safe hunting ground.  Allowing licensed individuals adds uncertainty into the equation and may make some criminals think twice.  Mountains of data has shown people with CC licenses a being problematic is exceptionally rare.  We should be using this to our advantage.

          •  I have worked in an inner city school (3+ / 0-)

            as well as one in a mixe environment as well as a suburban one.  I am flatly going to say having them gun free is of critical importance,particularly at athletic events where things can get very heated.

            "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

            by teacherken on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 03:40:24 PM PDT

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            •  If you believe that, then you clearly do not (0+ / 0-)

              understand the mentality and mindset required for carrying a concealed weapon in public, which makes your position on the matter more understandable.  When one carries a gun, they can no longer allow themselves to act, or react that way.  The news has plenty of examples of idiots with guns and it is still exceptionally rare for one of them to be a licensed individual, which says a lot about the mindset and mentality of those who choose to make that commitment.

              •  oh I understand it (2+ / 0-)

                from a federal elected official with a concealed carry permit

                from family in law enforcement at a federal level

                from friends in law enforcement in state and local levels

                and none of them seem to think that guns should be in schools

                "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

                by teacherken on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 06:38:21 PM PDT

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      •  An elementary school is a quite different place (0+ / 0-)

        from a college campus.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 10:47:53 PM PDT

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