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  •  This is a very good example (0+ / 0-)

    of how Americans have distanced themselves from reality when it comes to race.
       It's also a good example of the reverse-culture shock I'm going to experience when I return.

      The president does not get to define himself anymore than you or I do.
       The president could say that he is asian, or martian. That isn't going to make it true.
     The president is at best brown (something that a lot of African-Americans call themselves, BTW). In reality he's a mixed race, and honesty dictates that I refer to him as "mixed".

      However, some Americans (including yourself) have a problem mixing honesty with race.

      This thread is also a good warning for what I'm soon to experience. After two years of honesty when it comes to race, I'm going back to a place where honesty about race isn't welcome. It's something I had forgotten until this thread.
       I have to relearn this lesson because that is American culture.

    ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

    by gjohnsit on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 05:59:53 AM PDT

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    •  I don't find it beneficial to discuss race (1+ / 0-)
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      in this way, on the internet, with people that you don't know and that don't know you.
      So much of our understanding of what people say and what they mean by it, even if the "wrong" words are used depends on facial expressions and other body language, knowing that persons day to day doings and just plain having that person in front of you face to face to hash it out.

      The first and only time I misused the word boy was when I was 7 lying in bed in the hospital after having an operation to repair three hernias. The male nurse was a young black guy named Willy. He was the high point of the 3 days I was in that place. He made every moment he was in our section a joyful one, even though laughing was a painful experience for me at that time. One day he walked into our ward and said to me, "How's it going today, girl?" to which I replied, "It's going good, boy!" And man, did he let me have it.
      But within minutes it was all worked out. He understood right away that I did not know what I had done just from my facial expression and immediately swung from anger to wanting to educate me as to why he reacted the way he did. I didn't have to get defensive, or explain myself, he knew right away, and went right into explaining the meaning that the word boy had for him.
      I've never used it since in the way I did that day, not because it would make people mad but because I understood WHY.

      I trust that you can come to the same end after some thinking about it on your own.

      Slower growth in government benefits programs for the poor, veterans and the elderly. "It's a compromise I'm willing to accept."- Obama 4/06/13

      by Burned on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 07:12:28 AM PDT

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      •  You are correct (1+ / 0-)
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        It is pointless to discuss race here, as is proof by this thread.
           And yet it is also proof that our country never had that "discussion about race" that it was supposed to have in 2009.

          Point of fact is that this thread isn't actually about racism as an action that effects reality. It's about racism as an abstract concept. Yet not agreeing to someone else's idea of racism as a concept makes a person a "racist".

          A good example is the idea that you can define yourself into a racial group, and questioning that definition makes you a racist.
           I could arbitrarily define myself as black, or better yet, as some previously unknown racial group and no one could question it without being racist.
          That's insanity.

          But then the entire concept is race is arbitrary and insane anyway.
           The fact is that there is no scientific basis behind any of society's ideas for race. Thus the entire concept of race, has as much to do with logic as how you chose your favorite football team. Hence the idea of defining your own race.

          That's not to say there aren't real world consequences for those choices.
           Wearing the wrong team jersey on game day will get you beaten up just as quickly as wearing the wrong skin color in certain groups.
           But those are just illogical reactions anyway.

          Thus I reject all of the statements regarding race in this thread.
           To some here, the fact that I reject the entire concept of race makes me racist. But that sort of illogic doesn't surprise me, because I've been told here that I'm racist for pointing out someone's real skin color.

          In the end, talking about race is like talking about religion in a bar: don't do it.

          This will be my last statement about race here on DKos EVER.

        ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

        by gjohnsit on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 08:51:39 AM PDT

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        •  I understand, most especially your last line. (1+ / 0-)
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          But I suggest that if you are ever meet up with some of these same people, that you have a face to face about this misunderstanding between all of you. I have a feeling that it would come out much differently for most of the people participating in this thread and that everyone would come away with more understanding and respect for what each of you brought to the table. Each individual in this thread, from what I read here on this website, works actively with actual flesh and blood people to make this world a better place for everyone.

          Slower growth in government benefits programs for the poor, veterans and the elderly. "It's a compromise I'm willing to accept."- Obama 4/06/13

          by Burned on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 09:20:06 AM PDT

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