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  •  Richard Trumka, chained CPI is wrong-headed policy (52+ / 0-)
    Not only do the majority of America's workers across the political spectrum oppose benefit cuts to the social insurance system, this is bad policy that will slow economic recovery even further.
    AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said the "chained" CPI is wrong-headed policy.
    Millions of Americans remain out of work and the job market is especially devastating for young people.  Young people ages 20-24 are facing 13.3% unemployment rates. Without the prospect of good jobs in their early and crucial earning years, these young people will bear the cost of these proposed cuts in Social Security.
    In a time of rampant income inequality and stagnant wages, a blow to retirement security is the last thing we need.

    It's unconscionable we're asking seniors, people with disabilities and veterans to be squeezed of every last penny when corporations and the wealthiest 2% are not paying their fair share of taxes, despite soaring profits.

    This year alone, the job-killing sequester will cost 750,000 people their jobs. We need to invest in America's workers, not pull the rug out from under them.

    The "chained" CPI is based on a fraudulent premise

    http://www.aflcio.org/...

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

    by allenjo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 04:41:04 PM PDT

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    •  Trumka will sell out. He always does. n/t (9+ / 0-)

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 05:25:09 PM PDT

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      •  sometimes it is a bridge too far (14+ / 0-)

        and for many these cuts - for seniors, the widows and children, the poor, disabled, and even our 3.2 million disabled vets,  have been that.

        Perhaps for Mr. Trumka it is also.

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

        by allenjo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 05:41:58 PM PDT

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        •  That would be a first. (4+ / 0-)

          Don't count on it.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 06:30:31 PM PDT

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          •  Dems have been abandoning labor for decades (9+ / 0-)

            Labor has kept coming back for more.  Labor law reform died in a Dem-dominated Senate in 1978.  EFCA never even came close to a floor vote in 2009-10.  In between WJC shoved NAFTA down labor's throat.

            Those are only 3 of the most obvious examples.  Chained CPI, which the president clearly supported for some time, comes from a proud lineage.  While past performance is not a guarantee of future results, labor will almost inevitably come back to the fold when it really matters next fall.

            Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

            by RFK Lives on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:10:52 AM PDT

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            •  And unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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              So will most dem voters.  Which is why the dems can keep doing stuff that hurts so many people.

            •  I was an AFL-CIO event in 1999 (5+ / 0-)

              John Sweeney was bragging about having just met with Gore and the AFL-CIO had just endorsed Gore. I mentioned a story on the Washington Post's front page about how Clinton had gone out fundraising in Silicon Valley and sat at a conference table with the tech execs, in sweater and jeans. "What do you want?" He wrote furiously on a legal pad and, within a couple of years, their wishes mostly were law.

              So, I asked, if Labor said "We don't want NAFTA, we don't want WTO, we don't want fast track, and Clinton-Gore go and do all the opposite, why the hell would you not flirt with Bradley, at least until you get real commitments out of Gore?

              I was booed and a few months later stopped working with the labor "movement."

              Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

              by fenway49 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 08:21:46 AM PDT

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        •  We all grow old, if we are lucky. So seniors, (6+ / 0-)

          the widows and children, the poor, the disabled and even our vets, they are us, all of us.  Everyone is slated to get Social Security benefits, some of us sooner rather than later, all of us when we are vulnerable and no longer able to fight effectively for ourselves.

          The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

          by helfenburg on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 04:08:20 AM PDT

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        •  Trumka gives good speech. When the chips are (0+ / 0-)

          down, he obeys.

          http://cheezburger.com/...

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:30:25 AM PDT

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      •  what's amazing is that he'll sell out and get (7+ / 0-)

        nothing for it.

        that's how I know all these shitheads WANT these policies.

        they complain and act all "we've got this".  then they sell out and get nothing.

        Just like Obama has sold us out and will get nothing.

        well I'm sure he'll get a set of great gigs making millions of dollars, but the rest of us, not so much.

        big badda boom : GRB 090423

        by squarewheel on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:59:31 PM PDT

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        •  He gets access to power. (0+ / 0-)

          That's probably what he wants most of all.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:25:24 AM PDT

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      •  If by "selling out" (4+ / 0-)

        you mean doing the same thing that 95% of the participants here are strongly advocating -  holding one's nose and continuing to vote Dem, because the alternative is worse.

        Trumka is just in the same awful position the rest of us are.  The Dems know we've got no place else to go, so they don't really care what we think.  We've lost all leverage in the political process.  What, specifically, would you like Trumka to do to not be a sellout?  What are you willing to do to not be a sellout, as you participate here, in a venue dedicated to supporting Democrats, and banning anyone advocating 3rd parties?

        •  Wheres' the 3rd party to the left of the Dems, (1+ / 0-)
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          Clues?  I"ve been looking for it for some time now.  Please point me in the direction of that party.

          The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

          by helfenburg on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 04:09:58 AM PDT

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          •  See your local listings for details (0+ / 0-)

            Seriously, that's a whole big box of NO here.

          •  It's not here. (2+ / 0-)
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            And advocating for such is cause for being banned from Daily Kos.

            Never forget, this is a partisan Democratic Party website, dedicated to electing Democrats.

            And at election time, Daily Kos's management will endorse a high functioning 80 IQ moron who narrowly avoided multiple child molestation charges who is running as a Democrat, over a reasonable socially liberal business moderate who's running as anything else.

            That's the way it is.  I'm not arguing about it, this is Kos's realm to rule with an iron fist as he chooses.  It's not a democracy of any sort.  

            *The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10*

            by Rick Aucoin on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:04:12 AM PDT

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            •  So, that's KOS. That's his business. (0+ / 0-)

              What about us? We're still here.

              The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

              by helfenburg on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 07:43:07 AM PDT

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              •  Sure, but even talking about 3rd parties... (0+ / 0-)

                ... here is risky.

                Kos isn't obliged to write the rules down for his site, and he doesn't.  He has, and likely will again, ban people from his site for advocating for 3rd parties, and for advocating for simply withholding their vote from whoever the Democratic Candidate is in a particular election.

                Any discussion of alternatives, here at Daily Kos, is unwise if a person wishes to continue to be able to post and recommend posts and diaries.

                This site exists to help the Democratic Party win elections, that is it, so anything that doesn't help with that...

                *The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10*

                by Rick Aucoin on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 08:25:57 AM PDT

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        •  Precisely (4+ / 0-)

          This is the site where they talk a good game and then fold. I'm sure Trumka is getting a lot more out of it than the average DK amateur White House flak.

          The cave, the Matrix, America.

          by Grassee on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:05:09 AM PDT

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        •  We don't have to vote. (2+ / 0-)
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          The "they've got no place to go" assumes that we'll keep showing up and voting Democratic no matter what.
          Chained CPI is the bright line for me. I won't vote for any candidate who ends up backing this. I'm not a conservative. I will no longer choose between which conservative is less appalling. If I could redo my 2012 vote, I would vote for a 3rd Party candidate for President.
            Obama specifically promised that he would not cut Social Security. It is bad policy and it is an attack on the Democratic base.
             For a lot of Democratic voters, it's the last straw.

      •  Yes, this is the Richard Trumka who has put his (4+ / 0-)
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        seal of approval on that proposed guest worker program that will allow thousands of foreign guest workers into the American labor force when those same 20 to 24 years olds are facing 13.3 % unemployment for the foreseeable future.  Richard Trumka is just another pol who is working to sell us into slavery.

        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 04:06:43 AM PDT

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